chrismgtis 0 #51 September 6, 2008 Quote Quote do NOT jump with these 3 people, again... Really? Would you also stop jumping? Because you would have just done exactly the same thing they did! That's what I was thinking. You did it to. You are each individually responsible for not being altitude aware. You are at fault for the others not being aware that it is time to track away and pull and so is each other person in that dive. Rodriguez Brother #1614, Muff Brother #4033 Jumped: Twin Otter, Cessna 182, CASA, Helicopter, Caravan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #52 September 6, 2008 mostly said in jest... but I might reconsider those with whom i was jumping if none were able to stay on top of things... yes of course.. I too would be to blame. so likely few people would want to jump with ME... only... i NEVER found myself really down and dirty. and i doubt i ever would. I'm old school, and i take very seriously, the fact that base has altitude responsibility, even when it hadn't even been discussed....this was hypothetical..... jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #53 September 7, 2008 QuoteWhat makes you think this is a hypothetical discussion? There has been at least one team that turned points into the ground and at least another that was only saved by Cypres fires. That team (team "pro dytter") the Danish national team at the world meet. The pro dytter was new and there was clouds so the plane circled around for half an hour, the dytters reset and never went off, they turned points until the cypress fired. The only one to pull at a correct altitude was the camera man. He saw the ground coming up fast and dumped. They were given a 0 for that round. Funny enough they were the only team with every member jumping a dytter. Who says theres safety in numbers. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #54 September 7, 2008 Hey Ray . . . I said "at least one" . . . that wasn't the team I was thinking of! quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #55 September 7, 2008 Dumping in place is probably the smartest but if someone else pulls the same handle as you at the same time you do risk a collision. I think a reserve is most likely to open on heading because of the way it's packed. I don't think they are more likely to backslide during opening but you probably don't want to reef on the rears during opening to try and induce a backslide because that would in theory slow the opening. thoughts? -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #56 September 7, 2008 I believe people were discussing the freefall technique called a "Backslide". I believe what you're trying to describe is a canopy "stall".---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #57 September 8, 2008 >do NOT jump with these 3 people, again... In my case it was the chief organizer of the boogie (and an S+TA) an S+TA/AFF-I, an AFF-I and a coach. Funny how these things work out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kashton 0 #58 September 9, 2008 Quote You missed an option. I've done an upward backsliding pull in a siutation like this. Arms out and cupping your shoulders gives an instant 5~6 feet vertical and pushes you far enough away so that your feet don't accidently kick someone as you swing under line stretch. Another key factor is what kind of main you're jumping. Jumping a Sabre? You could probably dump your main and get your hands on your handles. Jumping a hot rod and an AAD? You get to choose ..... Here's a good one. Back in '85, I was on a 16 way for a guys 1000th jump. The plan was for one person on his right leg to pull him out at 4k. So, nobody had an audible back then and no one was looking at their alti. We were just all watching the victim. Our designated "puller" forgot his assignment. Suddenly, someone's pilot chute accidently slipped out of his leg strap without warning and he was sucked out of the formation. Us remaining 14 co-conspirators all thought, "Hey! You pulled the wrong person you idiot!" Oh shit, we all suddenly realized we were in a rock stable 15 way going through 2300 feet! Woo Hoo, talk about nice tracking staggered pull openings in a very small cone of air space! I guess there are some advantages to F-111. The clap of thunder as 15 assholes puckered up could be heard for miles. well told sirThat John Denver's full of s**t man... It's a great day to be alive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kashton 0 #59 September 9, 2008 This has to be one of my favorite threads on this forum. It will probably save someone's life one day. I am curious as to what I would do in such a situation, now that I've read the replies to this thread. I have a Saber 2 170 and weigh about 155 lbs, so what altitude would I need to pull at to be under AAD fire velocity by 1050'? In this situation at 1200' I would probably go for my main instinctively, as was mentioned previously.That John Denver's full of s**t man... It's a great day to be alive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtall 0 #60 September 9, 2008 Which main Spence? How long does it take to open? My saber 2 opens in about 900 ft ." 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brokenwing 2 #61 September 9, 2008 completely agree ALWAYS get that last point in at 1200 u got plenty of time btw -- like everyone else back in the 70s i have burned thru 1000' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #62 September 9, 2008 Quote completely agree ALWAYS get that last point in at 1200 u got plenty of time btw -- like everyone else back in the 70s i have burned thru 1000' So would you throw out as you reach for the touch, or get the touch and then dump? I'm guessing for safety reasons you'd throw out while reaching for the touch." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #63 September 9, 2008 Quote completely agree ALWAYS get that last point in at 1200 u got plenty of time btw -- like everyone else back in the 70s i have burned thru 1000' ...and done a style series too! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 7 #64 September 9, 2008 Pull............. Assuming we all lived, I would then pony up the fee for the local bowling league. Go CompeteBe the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #65 September 9, 2008 Quotecompletely agree ALWAYS get that last point in at 1200 u got plenty of time btw -- like everyone else back in the 70s i have burned thru 1000' I'd like to join this plan and change my answer - get another point - point at altimeter - while my tail piece pussy teammates track away, spin buds once with my piece partner and then dump ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #66 September 10, 2008 The clap of thunder as 15 assholes puckered up could be heard for miles. Doesn't matter who you are, that's funny! Probably sounded like a sonic boom.... Oh, to answer your question-PULL WITHOUT HESITATION Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stuntbabex 0 #67 September 10, 2008 Id like to think that I would do the right thing and backslide before pulling silver but in reality I would probably panic and pull silver in place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #68 September 10, 2008 Why backslide? If you take 3 seconds to backslide and pull, guess what, you're not at 1200' anymore, you're at 600'. Or, if your AAD works, your reserve pilot chute is already on its way. At 1200' you have about 6-7 seconds before impact with the ground, and maybe 4-5 seconds before its too late to get an inflated canopy regardless of what you do. Don't waste time backsliding, turning, waving, pointing, or whatever. Just fucking pull. I don't think people realize how low 1200' is. The skydive is going to end in a few seconds one way or the other. You have mere moments to change the type of ending. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #69 September 10, 2008 >Why backslide? If you take 3 seconds to backslide and pull . . . Keep in mind it is also quite possible to pull and backslide; you have a second or so before line stretch with which to get a bit more separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #70 September 10, 2008 If the reserves open fast enough, there is also just time to stack/plane/side/downplane ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #71 September 10, 2008 That's cool. I'm just trying to drive home the point that you need to get a canopy over your head NOW. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stuntbabex 0 #72 September 10, 2008 QuoteThat's cool. I'm just trying to drive home the point that you need to get a canopy over your head NOW. Oh I understand what you mean. Like I said, Id probably panic like hell and pull since I dont have a cypres to save me. My main takes 1225' to open so pulling the main would be out of the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #73 September 11, 2008 Well, the time I chucked a pilot chute going through 1200ft was after a botched 5-way... does that count? My point is two fold... 1) If you jump long enough, likelihood is, you'll be down there... and... 2) Good or Bad, most skydivers finding themselves down there go for the most familar handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
