skydived19006 4 #1 July 15, 2008 I’m not the best in the world about logging my jumps anymore. I’ll go back through the manifest, and catch up my log book once or twice a year; it takes a few hours if once a year, logging a day per entry. Anyway, I arranged a demonstration jump for the 4th, with insurance. Part of the insurance requirements is jump currency, and currency on the canopy being jumped. If you’re jumping demonstrations, and have not kept a log book, something goes wrong, what will be used as proof of currency/numbers/etc.? One of the guys on the jump has well in excess of 1000 jumps, but hasn’t logged in years. Are we insured or not? I figured, worse case the DZ manifest records could be used as proof of jumps, but nothing indicating his canopy, that he had jumped the flag recently, etc. Thoughts? Other reasons to log regardless of numbers beyond 1000? MartinExperience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #2 July 15, 2008 Quote Are we insured or not? I believe you are, but if there is an accident he would be scrambling to catch up on all that logging. If this person continues to do things that need logged jumps it would seem to be easier to do the work now. QuoteOther reasons to log regardless of numbers beyond 1000? Awards! Your picture in Parachutist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #3 July 15, 2008 Don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I use to keep super neat, in depth detailed logs for every jump! ~N#, pilot, winds, distance from disk, I'm talking I even have the static-liners names I chucked, you name it... that lasted until the gold wings. Stopped for several years when I moved to the left coast...but when I 'really' started doing demos for dollars I started back up again however not nearly as detailed. My logs are accurate but I kinda use them more as autograph albums than anything else...except to 'prove' certain deductions like travel, gear, jumps, repacks...to Uncle Sugar come April 15th time.I now have 3 separate log books: Sport jumps~ 3466 plus (no entries for first 5 years of Ca. jumpin') Tandems~ 505 Demonstrations~ 1171 ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #4 July 15, 2008 Quote Thoughts? Other reasons to log regardless of numbers beyond 1000? A old jump buddy from back in the day recently passed away from long term health issues. We flew back to KC for the funeral. His log books were on display during the viewing and funeral. He hadn't jumped in about 25 yr's and "only" had about 800 jumps. The log books were in prime condition just like the man lived his life. The next day at my buddies house we saw his kids (now in their 30's and 40's) reading dads log books, remembering the jumpers who signed off his jumps and laughing at the comments made on ea jump. Those log books are priceless to his children and I'm sure will be passed on in his family for generations to come. YMMVR.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #5 July 16, 2008 just have over 100 jumps but logging is useful for me anyway for keeping a record of how many jumps has been done on the canopy so i have a fair idea of its value and when a reline is approachingDudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #6 July 16, 2008 Other reasons to log regardless of numbers beyond 1000? Those log books are priceless to his children and I'm sure will be passed on in his family for generations to come. YMMVR.I.P. I want to echo this. My father was a pilot with over 17,000 hours flying time when he retired, and he had meticulously logged every minute. It gives me great pleasure to read comments in his logbooks about famous people that were his passengers, exotic or dangerous airplanes that he flew, wild weather conditions on this flight or that,etc. We should all think about this aspect of our logbooks-today's logbook entry is tomorrow's history. It has value today and even greater value in the future. I even like reading in my own skydiving logbook about jumping 2 way with my son, now off in the Marine Corps, and dreaming about the day to come when he, I, and his brother (A Marine deployed right now in Iraq) can all be together again and jumping a 3 way. Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyinhi79 0 #7 July 16, 2008 Quote Don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I use to keep super neat, in depth detailed logs for every jump! ~N#, pilot, winds, distance from disk, I'm talking I even have the static-liners names I chucked, you name it... that lasted until the gold wings. Stopped for several years when I moved to the left coast...but when I 'really' started doing demos for dollars I started back up again however not nearly as detailed. My logs are accurate but I kinda use them more as autograph albums than anything else...except to 'prove' certain deductions like travel, gear, jumps, repacks...to Uncle Sugar come April 15th time.I now have 3 separate log books: Sport jumps~ 3466 plus (no entries for first 5 years of Ca. jumpin') Tandems~ 505 Demonstrations~ 1171 I think people would take you more seriously if you took the time and updated your profile with all those jumps LMAOI know I probably have a jump or two I have not updated in my profile. Those extra jumps would definitely make people read my posts with more attention. Oh Man, I know I going to flammed for this one hehe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #8 July 16, 2008 so that you can "look things up" regarding who what where when how , etc,,, of each of the jumps you have made.... forever... so that you can recall the PEOPLE with whom you've shared a jump, or two , or TWO Hundred... so you can note the variety of aircraft you may have enjoyed.. and the few you may NOT have enjoyed..so that you Know Reallllll accurately just how many jumps you've made.so that if you've been jumping for a while, you can ask new jumpers their birth dates, and then look in the logs to see if you were Skydiving...hahaha.. i've hit on more than a couple.. especially if people were born in the summer... so that you have something important that you need to keep track of. and so you have a ready made autograph book, allowing you to ask anyone on the DZ for their signature jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdWoman 0 #9 July 16, 2008 I log each and every one of my jumps, and I primarily shoot video and am just under #1800. I do it for a couple of reasons. 1-my parents like to keep their side of the family updated with how many jumps I am up to and how many hours of freefall (they are all whuffos and are fascinated by the fact that I do it for a living) 2-so I can keep track of how many videos I have done for each aspect (tandem, aff, etc). It's nice to be able to know how many jumps in the last XXX were for fun (or vice versa) 3-I have two rigs that I try to use equally. It is nice to keep track of how many jumps are on each of the main linesets so I can replace them accordingly. 4-when students ask me how many jumps I have I like to be able to give them an accurate number, rather than make something up that sounds good to make myself look better."I don't know where it is that I'm going, but wherever it is there I'll be!" --quoted by me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildfan75 1 #10 July 16, 2008 Because I hope that in 500 jumps some of my logs now will be as funny to me as going back and reading logs like "Flared early a couple of times but did a nice, soft stand up landing" from one of my first jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamiem 1 #11 July 16, 2008 I love to log. I write down what kind of exit I did, names of jumpers, all kinds of random stuff. It's fun to look back and read them. Plus, since I'm still new, it's nice to see how I have progressed. And I like logging special things, like when friends/family do tandems, new rig, that kind of stuff. My mom loves to read through it too to see what kind of stuff I'm doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #12 July 16, 2008 Quote Quote Don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I use to keep super neat, in depth detailed logs for every jump! ~N#, pilot, winds, distance from disk, I'm talking I even have the static-liners names I chucked, you name it... that lasted until the gold wings. Stopped for several years when I moved to the left coast...but when I 'really' started doing demos for dollars I started back up again however not nearly as detailed. My logs are accurate but I kinda use them more as autograph albums than anything else...except to 'prove' certain deductions like travel, gear, jumps, repacks...to Uncle Sugar come April 15th time.I now have 3 separate log books: Sport jumps~ 3466 plus (no entries for first 5 years of Ca. jumpin') Tandems~ 505 Demonstrations~ 1171 I think people would take you more seriously if you took the time and updated your profile with all those jumps LMAOI know I probably have a jump or two I have not updated in my profile. Those extra jumps would definitely make people read my posts with more attention. Oh Man, I know I going to flammed for this one hehe. It's okay, I got kids...I'm use to people not takin' me seriously! My profile is fairly accurate....I don't lump 'work' jumps in with 'skydiving'. Skydiving isn't work, now I dunno if ya would call it a sport, a hobby or a pass time...but it DAMN sure isn't WORK!! Two completely different animals, besides...it makes the accounts receivable and payable bookwork easier the way I do it. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
padu 0 #13 July 16, 2008 Doing a 3-point 16-way in a boogie with Jack Jefferies as organizer and not having him sign your logbook is like going to disney for the first time and not taking your picture with mickey mouse.Una volta che avrete imparato a Volare, camminerete sulla terra guardando il cielo perchè è là che siete stati ed è là che vorrete tornare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #14 July 16, 2008 Hi Dived, Well jes' chek out some of the above posts by square, twardo and the others. It's up to you. Sure yo don't have to "bother" with the hassle but like square said about his father's flying logs, they are "Priceless!!" Personally, I log all my jumps and do notes and diagrams and put "C-D_ Video" as I have sevral VHS "Log" tapes from the DZ!! Got a shoe box here at the desk with 15 logs in it. 7 of the old blue PI logs and the rest are the Black wire bound precision freefall logs and #16 in my jump gear bag. Wanna' know who did what when?? Several fellow skydivers would bug me to borrow my books so they could "catch up", sure, as long as you keep buying BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS, What I really like is the people who have only been at the DZ for just a couple of years, "Don't Log" and all of a sudden they have 6000 JUMPS!!!!!!!!!! Sure dude, ya' didn't win the lottery, yo' daddy's NOT rich and you don't have a job!!! Somebody had to pay for those jumps and you ain't shootin video or instructin' so WTFTD!!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 July 17, 2008 Quote PS, What I really like is the people who have only been at the DZ for just a couple of years, "Don't Log" and all of a sudden they have 6000 JUMPS! No kidding. I know a Colorado jumper who one day decided a demo jump was his Gold wings jump. Made the jump, got the award, then practically quit jumping. A year later I heard him telling someone he had 2000 jumps! Sheeeit! What a loser. If you don't log them, you don't really know, now do you?I still use the little blue paper back books, and log every jump. What the heck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #16 July 17, 2008 I don't regularly log because it tends to be "just one more thing." I'm generally busy from 8:00 am till 10:00 pm. Sunday evening, have to do a couple of hours of crap just to go home, get to bed by midnight, so I can get up for my "real job" Monday morning at 6:00 am. My logging is accurate, just no detail. I noticed one TI with his log sitting open, after doing a tandem, he'd do a basic entry, then ask his student to write something. Cool idea, but then he wasn't packing, editing video, running the register, answering the phone, training the next group, plunging the toilet, taking out the trash, etc., etc. It would be retirement for me to "just" be a TI. Hell, I might even be motivated to jump for fun once in a while! MartinExperience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #17 July 17, 2008 I dont log, i must be close to 6000 jumps now I know mine are accurate give or take a jump or two. Infact im more likely to under estimate in fear of being that loser who claims more jumps than he really has. 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 July 17, 2008 Spot on, mate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 July 17, 2008 Quote I noticed one TI with his log sitting open, after doing a tandem, he'd do a basic entry, then ask his student to write something. Cool idea, but then he wasn't packing, editing video, running the register, answering the phone, training the next group, plunging the toilet, taking out the trash, etc., etc. I have a different set of tasks crashing into me each time I land, and probably fewer of them than you, but I have more time with 3 people talking to me at once than I have just standing around. After tandems, I grab my logbook and write the jump number, date, and "TDM w/ __________" then ask my student to write anything and everything they want about their jump and please sign it at the bottom. Most of it seems pretty canned after awhile, but there are still the occasional pearls. It's fun to go back and read some of them a year or five later and try to remember the jump. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
