dragon2 2 #1 February 9, 2005 In 2003 I cutaway what I thought at the time was a lineover, on a borrowed Sabre 135. I was wearing my camera helmet because it was a special jump from a dakota and I gave the tape to the guy who made the movie for everybody, so I didn't really look at it at the time. I just found the tape again, wanting to make a small movie from my reserve ride. But, this doesn't look like a lineover to me now? Maybe the pilot chute/bridle is wrapped around some c/d lines? Anyway I opened at 4k, was open at 4k (ouch), and cutaway fairly high after taking a look at the canopy thinking I might try to fix it for a bit, was reaching for the rear risers (w/brakes still stowed), but then it started turning and I didn't think anymore just acted Of course this was just after my reserve repack, which explains me swearing a bit Don't have the movie yet BTW, Premiere won't let me capture at the moment ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 February 9, 2005 I'd name it Kevin. ok, seriously - I think it's an A or B line on the right hand side over the top of the canopy. The last two shots show it best - you can see a line going from the slider gromet (front right) at an odd angle up to the right hand side of the canopy when it ought to be going more towards the front... at least that's my guess. edit: Actually I'm probably wrong - the lines going off to the side because the nose of the canopy is folded to the side. Ah well... still think it should be called Kevin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #3 February 9, 2005 It looks like a line over to me. Just not a brake line. But maybe the video shows something I'm not seeing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John4455 0 #4 February 9, 2005 Looks like your c-d line groups on the right are over the top How do ya like it Johnny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #5 February 9, 2005 I looked at it up and down the lines and something didn't seem right to call it a lineover. It wasn't until I resized it and looked at it hard that it appears to be a walkthrough. Look at the arrow and where the twist is... It is a tuff call.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #6 February 9, 2005 What do you mean by walkthrough? I know a steptrough but not a walkthough. BTW I had this chute packed, the last packjob of the day by a very very tired packer (he admitted to me later). Oh well, serves me right I suppose... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #7 February 9, 2005 Same sameNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #8 February 9, 2005 Ok, so how do you pack a partial walkthrough without noticing it? Would being very very tired work ? You can't flake the canopy... But the steering lines would be free I suppose (don't have a rig here to try). Anyway the video is here: http://www.12000ft.com/video/kevin.wmv Just discovered I don't really like Windows Moviemaker ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #9 February 9, 2005 Yah that would be a tuffy if you continuously check your lines throughout the pack job. I know I do... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sight_burner 0 #10 February 9, 2005 miss line over I don't care about fame I just want people to know my name qote ( Andrew Cebuhar) the thread is dead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #11 February 9, 2005 If it is a walk through, shouldn't there be the same condition on the other side? I don't see how you can have a walk through on only one side.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #12 February 9, 2005 nice video saskia _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #13 February 9, 2005 Cool, you called it Kevin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote Yah that would be a tuffy if you continuously check your lines throughout the pack job. I know I do... No.... This to me looks like only a partial "step-through", but the name is innapropriate, since it probably happened during packing, AFTER the canopy was put in the bag. I've done something similar to myself once. To reproduce, pack as normal. Do a 4-line continuity check. Flake, s-fold, put in bag. With the canopy in the bag, take one line, pass it around the pilot-chute and bag. In effect, that one line will now be fully wrapped around the other lines. It would be the same as a line-over that cleared to the wrong side, or a one-sided stepthrough. What I've described will create a situation that's different than what's posted, though. It is definately possible to pack a step-through after doing a continuity check. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #15 February 9, 2005 Still looks like a lineover that pinches the side and rear instead of all the way over the front. It's clearest in "Afbeelding 004.jpg" I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #16 February 9, 2005 Just don't take your lines and pass them around the bag. Normal packing procedure calls for placing the bag into the container the step after placing the canopy in the bag. If one does that and doesn't mess around with the lines, one can avoid the lineover you describe... If you just put the canopy in the bag and close it up and then RIGHT after that put it into the container without taking lines and moving them around (why would you move lines around after the bag is packed anyhow) then you will be safe... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 February 9, 2005 Quote Just don't take your lines and pass them around the bag Well, duh. The problem is that the causes of malfunctions are usually far more complex than the models we use when we discuss them. There are occaisions where the situation I described can happen accidentally, and you may not even realise it. Details of how I accomplished it in my specific case can be found here . Clearly it was my fault, and I will not make the same mistake twice. That said, it certainly was not an obvious error, and I have no doubt that others have, and will make the same mistake without realising it. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #18 February 9, 2005 My only point was that I follow the exact same procedure every single time I pack. I've packed about 4000 times now approx with no mals. I never allow myself to get distracted during packing and follow it through to the final closure... I'm sure you realize all of this though - just glad you are aight! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #19 February 9, 2005 QuoteIf it is a walk through, shouldn't there be the same condition on the other side? I don't see how you can have a walk through on only one side. The best "word" definition in this case is a partial step through.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #20 February 10, 2005 QuoteIt looks like a line over to me. Just not a brake line. . I agree. I've wathced and freeze framed the video several times. The left half of the canopy is fine so it doesn't appear to be a step through of any sort.. It doesn't appear to be a brake line but it does appear to have a line or 2 over the side.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOtherPacker 0 #21 February 10, 2005 QuoteIf it is a walk through, shouldn't there be the same condition on the other side? I don't see how you can have a walk through on only one side. I've seen that happen once before on a tandem (one sided step through). The TI brought back some linetwisted, stepthroughed, drogue woven in and out of the only 3 cells able to be identified canopy, and the packer had to chop it in order to sort everything out. He everntually cleared it but must have flipped one of the risers through itself, creating a one sided step through. The main opened, flew fine, and was fixed upon landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #22 February 10, 2005 Quote...must have flipped one of the risers through itself, creating a one sided step through... If you start with a correctly assembled canopy, it is mathematically -- topologically -- impossible to create a step-through that results in one pair of risers (and its lines) straight and the other pair tangled. To create a "one-sided step-through" you have to disconnect risers or lines. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superfletch 1 #23 February 10, 2005 QuoteI looked at it up and down the lines and something didn't seem right to call it a lineover. It wasn't until I resized it and looked at it hard that it appears to be a walkthrough. Look at the arrow and where the twist is... It is a tuff call. I believe the twist you are referring to is the point where the brake lines on the tail cascade down to the steering line. . Gary "Superfletch" Fletcher D-26145; USPA Coach, IAD/I, AFF/I Videographer/Photographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #24 February 10, 2005 If it is a lineover then where did my pilotchute/bridle go? It has to be trapped underneath the lineover then, which doesn't seem that likely to me since it is just a small lineover and to the side. This is what got me wondering yesterday... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #25 February 10, 2005 QuoteIf it is a lineover then where did my pilotchute/bridle go? It has to be trapped underneath the lineover then, which doesn't seem that likely to me since it is just a small lineover and to the side. This is what got me wondering yesterday... Looking at the 'reserve.jpg' picture, there is some yellowish material visible directly to the left of the 'kink' in the canopy, where the 'lineover' appears. Was the PC the same colour as the slider? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
