More dangerous discipline?

[Stuntbabex 0]

Just curious what people here think. no im not trying to troll.

[Deisel 38]

Personally I think that swooping is more dangerous simply due to your proximity to the ground. But I will try learning to swoop long before I let anyone near me under canopy. Your comfort level has to be much higher for CRW to 1) trust the other person to not kill you and 2) trust that you will not get anyone else killed. This multiplies with the more people you put into a stack. At least with swooping you are completly reliant on your own skills and abilities in addition to all of the other shit that can go wrong.

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The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

[feuergnom 28]

this is a no-brainer, just read incident statistics

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[LongWayToFall 0]

It is worth noting the number of participants as well as experience in the discipline prior to an incident.....
The balance is also thrown off by the fact that you get one swoop per jump, compared to many minutes of crew time if you are opening high, thus allowing more time to screw something up. In addition, how many people are killed by other swoopers compared to other crew members? It takes 2 to make a wrap/entanglement....

[Pulse 0]

This is kind of interesting.

I consider some CRW experience mandatory when learning to swoop. What better way to learn about flying parachutes?

"Any language where the unassuming word fly signifies an annoying insect, a means of travel, and a critical part of a gentleman's apparel is clearly asking to be mangled."

[shropshire 0]

It's only dangerous when there is No Discipline

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Stuntbabex 0]

Well it is obvious that the margin for error in swooping is a lot smaller than in CRW but it just seems that the way a lot of jumpers talk, they sound more afraid of crw than swooping.

Maybe i shouldve made the question "What discipline scares you more?" instead.

[Baksteen 84]

If you use the correct gear for either and have the appropriate skills necessary for landing in one piece I'd say swooping scares me more.

Not only because you do it close to the ground, but you do it while other people are landing, people who might or might not have seen you - people who might react unpredictably.

With CReW, at least you're high up, high enough to go to plan B should the shit hit the fan.
Extra advantage is that the other people in your load will probably have already landed, leaving you with less hassle during your own landing.
I'm not saying that I cannot handle flying in traffic, but the fewer canopies overtaking me from all sides, the happier I am

"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport."
~mom

[TVPB 0]

LMAO

Hang on!!

You were serious??????

CRW is fine. Swooping is fine.

PEOPLE ARE NOT!!!!!

Living is about risk management.
You can do either activity relatively safely, or downright dangerously.
Most of the risk is in the decisions you make.

i.e. head on crw with JVX 69 on microline with aff students is a lot more dangerous than a very well executed / planned 100 way cf formation. a 50 jump wonder swooping a 150 sabre is more dangerous than a carefully selected aff stage one doing crw with the worlds elite crw jumpers (i.e CG).

more people get hurt landing than doing crw

Stay Safe - Have Fun - Good Luck

The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide.

[JohanW 0]

More people land than do CReW.

I do both recreationally, and neither scares me. I have a healthy respect for both disciplines, as I do for 4way, precision, wingsuit bigway, driving a car in rush hour and walking down three flights of stairs.

I voted swooping is more dangerous, mainly because it's closer to the ground, but canopy relative has a lot of opportunities for wraps and entanglements where you cannot simply follow standard emergency procedures. Both disciplines require focus and clear thinking when the sh*t hits the fan really.

Johan.
I am. I think.

[JohanW 0]

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.. the fewer canopies overtaking me from all sides, the happier I am

You really should have been in the last load on Saturday Brickie.

We did a hop'n'pop from 12 with 12 people, and everyone aimed for *me*. It was .. crowded. Landing was a breeze, apart from having no arm muscles left.

Johan.
I am. I think.

[BillyVance 34]

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It's only dangerous when there is No Discipline

So true!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Baksteen 84]

Wish I HAD been there, Johan - I heard the stories.
Besides, I've been dying to do a H&P at twelve with that Spectre and smoke it to three ASAP.



I meant "canopies overtaking me on final" in my previous post, by the way.

"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport."
~mom

[mnealtx 0]

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More people land than do CReW.

Oh, *really*?

I think that both can be dangerous - I think that swooping can *possibly* be more so due to speed/proximity to the ground (during a normal evolution), but that's only my opinion.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[dragon2 2]

Both the hop'n'pop and someone overtaking (and then crossing) me on final are in the saturday daily vid, if you hadn't already seen it I know which I found more dangerous

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Saskia