packerboy 3 #26 April 9, 2008 if you need a second opinion on the airworthiness of rig... Just like needing a second opinion on whether or not to go high performance. If you need that second opinion, you are probably tickling Darwin's balls. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #27 April 9, 2008 That is a loophole in the system, but I'd rather we have that then tie the hands of hard working riggers. No need to dumb down things anymore. We tried that with the AFF instructor program, and look what we have now.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frynsky 0 #28 April 9, 2008 Well... I have a Vector 2 made in '88 with a Glidepath Fury and the same reserve as you, a Firelight. It has been converted to a BOC, and I have NEVER had any trouble at all from this rig. I don't jump much anymore, and in my opinion there are a lot of "gear snobs" in the sport now. As long as it was maintained properly I obviously see no problems with you jumping it. Flame away people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #29 April 9, 2008 Yea I did too a few season agos I used as a demo rig, sweet deal full rig for 350.00 bucks looked like it was made last week, pristine! Friken lived it's life in a closet, brand new *old 1988 main, reserve, & V2 I Jumped a season and sold it, for more then I paid. You can find some really good deals around at times, just like we see today, all these one hit wonders show up and buy all kinds of uptodate hotshit and then poof their gone and the rig hits the classifieds and don't sell fast or at all due to the market flood of small expensive cock rockets & acc's. so the rig hits storage. When in 10 years slips by and next thing you know heres a rig that wasn't really bad stuff 10 or 12 years ago, maybe state of the art for it's time, hit the ebay market because X -old jumpers shows up to the dz and get's laughed at when they try to sell their now dangerous non freeflying velcro covered f-111 big ass heavy tuna boat old fart wearing antique. Just watch in ten years we'll see the same thing all over again....... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sd-slider 0 #30 April 9, 2008 Quote Be aware that the container is not safe to freefly with I see this alot on here and I would really like a well thought out answer from some of you as to "WHY?". Obviously this older rig may not be the best choice for ongoing use in that discipline due to the BOC bridle exposure, the TSO rating of the reserve, etc.... I've run in to folks at the DZ with "older" gear and they are terrified to do anything radical due to them owning a "Non-Freefly" capable rig.... Which came first.....freeflying or the freefly rig? I'm sure at some point in the past, people didn't always fly "belly to earth" all of the time on that "old" gear back in the day.... No sarcasm or ill will intended, just a quest for honest answers. Anvil Brother #69 Sidelined with a 5mm C5-C6 herniated disk... Back2Back slammers and 40yr old fat guys don't mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #31 April 9, 2008 Quote Which came first.....freeflying or the freefly rig? You are exactly right. The folks who originated FF did so on rigs just like this. They learned the importance of tight Velcro. So, if you do like they did, and keep your Velcro current and tight, you should fear not. Kevin K._____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #32 April 9, 2008 Quote Which came first.....freeflying or the freefly rig? Freeflying came first (or some might have been calling it Freak Flying). However then came high speed premature openings and gear maintenance issues that used to be able to be overlooked. Then came freefly friendly gear. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ucadam 0 #33 April 9, 2008 Im only 5'7"160lbs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #34 April 9, 2008 As long as you have a good stiff plastic tuck tab on the main pin cover and have your rigger do the "freefly mod" where they add on piece of material to cover your bridle on its way from the pin to the BOC (and make sure the BOC is tight) what is the problem with using this rig for freeflying? None of these would be major undertakings by a rigger. Make sure that if you are replacing the plastic in the main pin cover that it is real good plastic though, or the hole that the grommet goes through will start to stretch from overzealous container closing techniques and come away from the grommet causing a snag hazard. If you are concerned about the riser flaps, they can be modded as well. All this together would still be cheaper than a new "freefly friendly" rig. Take my advice with a grain of salt.. I'm not a rigger, but I believe my information to be correct. Check with your rigger. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #35 April 9, 2008 Quote I see this alot on here and I would really like a well thought out answer from some of you as to "WHY?". Obviously this older rig may not be the best choice for ongoing use in that discipline due to the BOC bridle exposure, the TSO rating of the reserve, etc.... I dunno. Seems easier to say "the container is not safe to freefly with" instead of "you are increasing your risk of a premature deployment of the main or reserve and possibly a horseshoe malfunction if you freefly with that container." Quote Which came first.....freeflying or the freefly rig? Changes to container designs were made in response to shit happening. After the container design changes, that shit doesn't seem to happen as often. Quote I'm sure at some point in the past, people didn't always fly "belly to earth" all of the time on that "old" gear back in the day.... You're right. My ratty Vector with the worn out Velcro everywhere and ROL deployment system never failed me when I did a stand up at the bottom of an RW jump or backloops or even the one time I attempted to backfly. So why would I not freefly with that container? Because I wasn't in an orientation other than belly to earth for more than a second or two when I was doing a standup or otherwise flailing around. Freeflying involves exposing the back and bottom of the container to the wind for 50+ seconds, and that wind is much faster than it is when you go from belly to a stand up and back or when you do a loop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #36 April 10, 2008 I'm sitting here looking at one of my Racers...DOM 3/83. I had it converted to BOC and jumped it up until 2 years ago. I'd have no problem jumping it today. Sure scared the hell outta the wannabe's Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
