tdog 0 #76 February 26, 2008 Quote Quote what are "B-roll" cameras? A B-roll camera is secondary imaging for shots that can be cut to from an interview or primary source shot. Think of it as a "second camera" shooting whatever is going on around the subject. True... But, another equally valid B-roll is when the primary camera is used to pick up "b-roll" video, which typically is not the primary action. For an example, in an awards show, you might have "b-roll" video of audience members congratulating each other at the front door, that would be played without audio under the credits roll. Or, in skydiving, B-roll video might be some incidental background video of people putting on their gear that is not directly related to the story line, to be used as a "cutaway". I do a lot of corporate events with broadcast video rigs (think $150,000 cameras and $200,000 projectors). The producer might ask the camera guy to "shoot B roll", which means - take the camera off the tripod and walk around the room and see if they can get anything interesting. Or the producer might ask, "do you have any B-roll of rocket launches to play while the scientist walks to stage?", where the tape operator would say, "I have a tape marked 1997 launch, it looks clean, wanna play it?" Sorry for the thread drift... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #77 February 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote what are "B-roll" cameras? A B-roll camera is secondary imaging for shots that can be cut to from an interview or primary source shot. Think of it as a "second camera" shooting whatever is going on around the subject. True... But, another equally valid B-roll is when the primary camera is used to pick up "b-roll" video, which typically is not the primary action. Which is why I said "secondary imaging" and not "secondary camera."B-roll, by SMPTE definition, is "B-roll or B roll is supplemental or alternate footage intercut with the main shot in an interview or documentary." At one moment, Jeff's cam may be primary, ground cam B-roll, and at other times, ground cam is primary, Jeff's cam is B-roll, and during a live shoot, any cam that isn't designated primary, is a B-roll camera whether it is cut to or not. In most of those situations, tape, HDD, or BD is rolled to capture the images for later use. Now that we've thoroughly confused everyone with the technical jargonThere were at least 3 XDCAM HD cams rolling on the ground, and I believe at least one XDCAM EX. I don't know what else was there, but I'm fairly certain the producer would have called for at least two subjective angles in addition to the primary stack, all of that in addition to Jeff's live feed. They sure had a budget for this one. I hope Jeb gets his $$, cuz he sure is earning it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #78 February 27, 2008 THANKS fellas! I understand now... even with the tech lingo! I was close to interpreting what ya meant, just had to be walked through some more.... GOOD JOB guys again! peace and happy "roll on B" to yazz:dd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSecret 0 #79 February 27, 2008 Great video!! First DZO to have thier planes and tandems wired for live sound and video will make some big $$$. That was very very cool.Life is good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Don 0 #80 February 27, 2008 Quote Quote They just landed, and it looked great. Luigi was there with (I think) the 37, and he and Jeb did a canopy/wingsuit flock. Jeb had his helemt wired for sound, and was explaining what he was doing during the entire jump, even answering some questions from the fat weather guy, who kept calling him 'Jeff'. Who was the camera flyer? Is Luigi jumping a 37 square foot canopy? Flame away if I'm stupid! I am NOT being loud. I'm being enthusiastic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #81 February 27, 2008 Yes he is but he's small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #82 February 27, 2008 Quote Quote But it was a good show, very positive, etc. Other than my previous comments about the lawyers...Wish they would have shown the landings of Lugi and given credit to the "aerial cameraman". My thoughts exactly. Mine too but...NO ONE cares about the camera man/woman.That's not a motto or a silly saying that's just the way it is. No one even knows that camera guy jumped with those guys except we skydivers.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #83 February 27, 2008 Here's my question...maybe it's just low numbers speaking....but with that canopy would he even have to do a swoop setup? I would think with it being that small and moving at the speed it does he would basically be doing a swoop landing no matter what. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #84 February 27, 2008 Quote Wish they would have shown the landings of Lugi and given credit to the "aerial cameraman". The "aerial cameraman" is my hero !! Looked like he jumped without goggles.. But really... Very intresting live broadcast. Prehaps first ever live aerial camera in freefall ? Am I mistaken ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #85 February 27, 2008 You are correct in the way that he would be going very fast. As canopies get smaller, though, it becomes increasingly important to create lift beyond what it does naturally in order to have a graceful landing. His speed becomes more horizontal than vertical, and thus can be run off easier. Speed creates that lift, so as ironic as it is, it is beneficial to go faster than the buttfuckin fast that he is already going._____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #86 February 27, 2008 Thank you for the clarification. Being as I only have 87 jumps I haven't even begun to ask question about how to swoop yet. Though I would like to try it one day I know I'm no where near ready yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #87 February 27, 2008 *joking**joking**joking**joking**joking**joking**joking* If you want to start, about 10 seconds before you would normally flare, just pull down on one of your front risers as hard as you can. That's step one. Let us know after you tried that and you heal up, and I'll tell you step two. (To those of you who will say "what if someone reads that and doesn't realize you're joking, and goes and does it", I respond, "then when they ask, I will tell them step two") _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #88 February 27, 2008 Thanks for the advice. Who cares if I haven't jumped since early Novemeber. My next jump I'm gonna have to give that a try. I'll deffinately be sure to let you know how it turns out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #89 February 27, 2008 Awesome, yeah, what could possibly go wrong??? Oh god, please don't do that!!! _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #90 February 27, 2008 QuotePrehaps first ever live aerial camera in freefall ? Am I mistaken ? Sorry, not even close. I jumped a system like that 5 years ago and I was far from the first. The 1988 Seoul Korea Olympic Rings Jump was filmed and transmitted to the ground live while in freefall, and I'll bet that that's not the first time either.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #91 February 27, 2008 I like the Evil Knievel reference because that's sort of what Jeb is right now-- I wouldn't worry if people know there's like a ton of other wingsuit flyers out there, though. I don't think Jeb is anywhere as reckless as Knievel was doing aerial work with the types bike frames he was using. I don't think there are ton of wingsuiters out there in terms of total percentage of skydivers. There isn't enough of us to build a 300 way fer sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #92 February 27, 2008 Ok so his canopy can fly over 100 mph in full flight?!! or is he hanging on fronts or what?! That just doesnt seem possible but what the hell do I knowBASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicGuy 0 #93 February 27, 2008 Oh man.. I know you know this is a joke but I feel compelled to say it. Please don't do that!!! Thought the video was pretty sweet. The audio through the helmet was awesome. I agree - that on tandem videos would be a moneymaker for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #94 February 27, 2008 Is this in reference to my post, or is it referring to Jeb's comment that he estimated that they were flying about 100 mph? I do know that when this was done previously it was done with a system that held the front risers down while they were flying relative and could be released to normal flight before landing. I don't know if that is what is being done here._____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #95 February 27, 2008 That bed sheet of a canopy looked like a pilot chute from the ground."If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #96 February 27, 2008 QuoteThat just doesnt seem possible but what the hell do I know Not enough. Not nearly enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #97 February 27, 2008 QuoteIs this in reference to my post, or is it referring to Jeb's comment that he estimated that they were flying about 100 mph? I do know that when this was done previously it was done with a system that held the front risers down while they were flying relative and could be released to normal flight before landing. I don't know if that is what is being done here. AFAIK that is not being done with Luigi's canopy. When Vladi was the canopy pilot they were using a production sized canopy and had to trim it faster.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #98 February 27, 2008 QuoteWhen Vladi was the canopy pilot they were using a production sized canopy and had to trim it faster They also trimmed Luigi's canopy. Instead of using front riser locks, they used a pair of scissors, and trimmed about 40 sq. feet of material from the canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #99 February 27, 2008 Quote Quote When Vladi was the canopy pilot they were using a production sized canopy and had to trim it faster They also trimmed Luigi's canopy. Instead of using front riser locks, they used a pair of scissors, and trimmed about 40 sq. feet of material from the canopy. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefli 2 #100 February 27, 2008 Will they be selling bingo squares around the target? I'd like to buy one if so... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
