AlexEvanczuk 0 #1 January 27, 2008 So my mom says I can't go sky diving... how can I convince her to let me go? Her main issue is safety, of course... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #2 January 27, 2008 I see from your other posts that you're 16. Since she will have to provide consent at any of the few dropzones that will let you skydive... you're in for a tough road. Have you even discussed who is going to pay for the skydiving? Are you expecting her to pay for you to skydive as well? Because if you can't show her that you're responsible enough to pay your own way through the sport, I think you'll probably also have a tough time convincing her that you're responsible enough to handle the risks of the sport. Maybe you can start out packing parachutes at the local dropzone and learning about the sport that way; you may not be able to jump locally till you're 18 but you can earn a heck of a lot of money and your mother's respect that way (or money to jump at a dropzone that will let you jump at 16)."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #3 January 28, 2008 At the risk of sounding like I'm telling you to go slit your throat, go to a non USPA drop zone. The age requirement is a USPA thing, not a Fed thing at all. Get a job to pay for it and don't even tell your mother. There. That ought to get me some shit. But I believe it answers your question while providing not a lick of wisdom. Where else but here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 January 28, 2008 QuoteSo my mom says I can't go sky diving... how can I convince her to let me go? Her main issue is safety, of course... Wait until you're 18 and then do what you'd like.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #5 January 28, 2008 I wouldn't be so sure about that - even dropzones that allow 16 year olds to jump will generally still require parental consent. So mom (or dad or other legal guardian) will probably have to sign off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #6 January 28, 2008 Ummm . . . he's 16. USPA's minimum age is 16 with notarized parental consent. From the USPA SIM, Chapter 2: QuoteD. Age requirements Back to Section 2-1 Contents 1. Skydivers are to be at least either: a. 18 years of age [FB] b. 16 years of age with notarized parental or guardian consent [FB] Most dropzones in the US require students to be 18 either because of state law or on their own accord. As NWFlyer stated, there are a few USPA dropzones in the States that will train 16 year old students.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #7 January 28, 2008 I am originally from Vermont (Cabot), and I am well acquainted with the "risk vs. reward" discussion with parents of teenagers wanting to make a skydive. I am happy to answer questions for your Mom if you think it would help. Let me know and I will PM you my phone number. I cannot find a New England DZ that takes students under 18 . . . you will have to travel quite a distance to make it happen, or head "Nord" of the border into Quebec.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #8 January 28, 2008 Ok, ya' tried bein' nice, diplomatic & yadda yadda....now it's time to get ugly. Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit, talk to some people and observe a few student jumps. Most of the fears go away, once they see for themselves that it all "ain't so muchk of a muchk". Who knows, maybe you & mom can get on the same load! "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #9 January 28, 2008 Quote "Nord" of the border into Quebec. Skydive Nouvel Air in Quebec has the following on its web site: "Quel âge doit-on avoir pour faire un saut en tandem? Au moins 14 ans, avec l’entente signée des parents et ayant un poids maximum de 240 livres, de 14 à 16, ans à condition que les parents soient sur place. De 16 à 18 ans, à condition que les parents aient signé l’entente de consentement ..." ..paraphrasing - for a tandem: At least 14 and weigh no more than than 240 pounds. Between 14-16, parent has to sign and be on site. Between 16-18, parent must sign but need not be there. I know someone from Massachusetts who jumped there at 16 and worked there during the summer as a packer at 17, getting close to 150 jumps before he was 18. HW edited to add-- I just looked again; they have English (of sorts) on their web site and the English version doesn't say parents have to be there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 January 28, 2008 WTF guys? Mom said "No." Why are you all trying to put a wedge between this kid and his mom? Respect Mom's wishes until the kid is 18. Then he can do whatever he wants.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #11 January 28, 2008 QuoteAt the risk of sounding like I'm telling you to go slit your throat, go to a non USPA drop zone. The age requirement is a USPA thing, not a Fed thing at all. Get a job to pay for it and don't even tell your mother. There. That ought to get me some shit. But I believe it answers your question while providing not a lick of wisdom. Where else but here? In the US, you must be 18 to enter into a contract. A waiver is a contract. A person such as a parent or guardian, cannot sign away a third party's right to sue. Therefore a waiver signed by a parent or guardian isn't worth the paper on which it is written."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #12 January 28, 2008 Ask your dad... That's what my kids do when mom says no! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #13 January 28, 2008 sorry Alex E. but i'm tending to side with quade's position here... a couple of questions.... 1. do you currently reside at your moms' home? 2. it the home also your dad's home..?. 3. of the 3 of you??? who is working to cover the costs involved with OWNING that home.? 4. were you "absent" the day that 'responsibility' was covered,,,, in 'class'? ..... now, i'm not saying that YOU are or aren't a responsible young man...since i don't even KNOW you... but as a Father/ Parent....i steadfastly ACCEPT the responsibility which was thrust upon me, when I had children,,,, and that is the same responsibility which your Mom evidently is aware of.......Your safety and well being is on HER shoulders...AND this IS a potentially dangerous sport... it's NOT some action type video game... replays are Not granted, after a serious screw-up, by simply inserting another quarter,, or hitting a replay button... so... Unless you are in an apartment of your own, and covering all related expenses, and still attending H School...AND concurrently working a part time job... then,,, sadly,, you should adhere to the wishes of your Mother!!!!... It's wonderful that you wanna make a skydive,,,, BUT sorry kid,,, this is a sport for grownups....... ( chronological grown-ups) ( if we amended that label to exclude, those who are not intellectually grown-up or emotionally grown-up, then MANY current skydivers might be left OUT )But we are talking about AGE, about still being a minor, and about your inability to legally sign a waiver.... Just listen to your Mother,,,,,be patient,, wait.... if you can get her OK,,, then yes, maybe visit, a dz...and yes have her come along with you, and LET HER ask questions.... but be patient.. we were alll kids once... and just wanting something... does NOt entitle you to receive it... That goes for anything in life... play by the rules..... anyone here who tries to advise you on how to disobey her.... either.... # 1. should mind their own business. # 2. are obviously NOT the parent(s) of a teenager. #3. have never been a parent of any one... I know many many jumpers who have raised children while they themselves have been active skydivers.... some of those have ok'd a jump,,,usually tandem,,, before the child reached 18... but many many others, ( myself included ) insisted that their children receive no special treatment, and out of respect for their DZ the DZO, and the sport itself... insisted that the child wait......... until that age of 18..... common sense guidelines are there for a reason... be respectful of that... be patient.... curb your enthusiasm..... the wait will be worth it... jimmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pontiacgtp00 0 #14 January 28, 2008 Your best bet would be to wait until your 18. Start putting money away now, so when your 18 and you catch the bug like I have you will be able to continue to jump regularly. I wish I had done that, instead of buying cars and motorcycles. Now I am selling all my cars and bikes, and keeping my most fuel efficient car. Losing money in the process. If only I had listened to my parents.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #15 January 28, 2008 Quote At the risk of sounding like I'm telling you to go slit your throat, go to a non USPA drop zone. The age requirement is a USPA thing, not a Fed thing at all. Get a job to pay for it and don't even tell your mother. There. That ought to get me some shit. But I believe it answers your question while providing not a lick of wisdom. Where else but here? Your wrong, even a non USPA DZ will require a parents signature. If not, they are fools. And telling a 16yr old to go do a tandem without telling their parents could make you an even bigger one........www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #16 January 28, 2008 buy ur mom a tandem fr her birthday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #17 January 28, 2008 I never mentioned signatures, contracts or waivers. I said the age requirement is a USPA thing, not a fed thing. And while it may be true that some non USPA DZs will require a parent's signature, I highly doubt you or I can say that about all of them. Hell, for all I know this lad lives right down the road from one. Maybe not. Who knows? I don't. Do you? Frankly, I have no clue about every non USPA DZ in America. Do you? Also, he has not let on what his relationship with his parents (he only mentioned mom) is like. I always told my parents what I was doing. Never asked for a thing. We have never been close so it was never a question for me. So not listening to one's parents could also be the wisest thing someone does. But we just don't know about this guy, do we? Parents don't always make the best choices for their kids. We can only hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 January 28, 2008 "no" is an honest answer. Grow up first. Then you can go do your thing. Her house, her money, her rules. You can respectfully give her info on the sport, take her to see it in action, but you must respect her decisions. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #19 January 28, 2008 IMHO, the actual answer to OP's question is 'You can't.' Sure, there are ways to go skydiving without parental consent, before or after 16, 18 or whatever age. I am in no way implying it's a good idea though. Or a bad one. (IMO definitely wait until you're 18 and independent.) But it's unlikely you'll ever convince anyone, let alone a parent, that skydiving is a good idea if they need convincing. I *do* feel lucky (both) my parents never looked at it that way. Or at motorcycle lessons. When paragliding or groundlaunching comes into the picture, I expect no problems. BASE, that might be a problem (and they might be right). But truly convincing anyone, I don't see it happening. You'll have to do it on your own. You will have to anyway, of course. Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyninja 0 #20 January 28, 2008 HAHAHAHAHAhahahha..... *wipes tears* (good luck with that)Why don't you just play 'chicken' on the railroad tracks? It would be a cheaper way to toy with death, I'm sure. CWR #2 - "You SAID collision!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 January 28, 2008 Maybe go learn in a tunnel. You can get a alot of flying done in the next two years and boy will you be good by the time that you actually jump.... and you'll have loads of fun too. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #22 January 28, 2008 Probably the most constructive advice so far. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #23 January 28, 2008 Yea, shame he's so damn ugly though or he'd have it all.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #24 January 28, 2008 Just the sort of inappropriate respose that I'd expect. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastphil 0 #25 January 28, 2008 You'll never convince her, Moms are like that. You must decide on your own when to leave the safety of her apron... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
