What Dropzones in the USA are NOT affiliated with the USPA.

[Amazon 7]

So where can we skydive without having to pay for conflict of interest with what will be our former national organization.

Am I correct in assuming that Lodi is one place??

If there are not many now..... perhaps there needs to be some more in the very near future.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

Problem is that even the DZs that are not members usually require membership for the insurance

[JustChuteMeNow 0]

There is Paradise Skydiving in Iowa that is not a USPA DZ but there still might be a conflict of interest because you might have to land in corn.

Think of how stupid the average person is and realize that statistically half of them are stupider than that.

[Amazon 7]

I am working on an alternative to that.. and then. there would no longer be a reason to pay USPA so I can be affiliated with people who they have chosen to associate with. Our little DZ north of Seattle has not been a USPA DZ but we have at least required jumpers to be USPA.. but the farther this goes and the longer this goes on.. I see no real reason to continue. If We the Members have an alternative to associating with a bunch of crooks perhaps some integrity can be found in a new national organization.

[Elisha 1]

I would say Lodi, but I heard on Sunday that a bunch of jumpers decided to buy them a group membership. Maybe it was just a false rumor.

[psychoswooper 2]

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Problem is that even the DZs that are not members usually require membership for the insurance

I am not sure if people realise that if you have homeowners insurance, you probably have personal liability insurance along with it. I have heard of cases where it covereed skydiving related incidents. Maybe somebody can verify that. Anyhow, there has got to be other sources of personal liability insurance than USPA. Insurance guys??? DZs could require proof of liability insurance rather than USPA membership.

[AirWhore 0]

Edited for inaccurate Information...
Should have checked USPA.org first i guess...

[chriswelker 0]

Yes WTS (MUllins' place) is a USPA GM

[CSpenceFLY 1]

Didn't use to be

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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Problem is that even the DZs that are not members usually require membership for the insurance

I am not sure if people realise that if you have homeowners insurance, you probably have personal liability insurance along with it. I have heard of cases where it covereed skydiving related incidents. Maybe somebody can verify that. Anyhow, there has got to be other sources of personal liability insurance than USPA. Insurance guys??? DZs could require proof of liability insurance rather than USPA membership.

I'm covered through mine but I am betting I would have trouble at most DZs getting them to accept it instead on a USPA card. I guess I'll call around and find out.

[jlmiracle 7]

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Didn't use to be

no, but joined when he had the last ratings course or something like that.

judy

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[tombuch 0]

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I am not sure if people realise that if you have homeowners insurance, you probably have personal liability insurance along with it. I have heard of cases where it covereed skydiving related incidents. Maybe somebody can verify that. Anyhow, there has got to be other sources of personal liability insurance than USPA. Insurance guys??? DZs could require proof of liability insurance rather than USPA membership.

The bigger problem is the airport owners, municipalities, and surrounding property owners. Each is concerned about loss damage, and group membership with an assurance that all jumpers have coverage gives them peace of mind. Drop zone owners are generally not as concerned about that insurance, and are sometimes willing to take the liability on themselves, as long as the airport is privately owned and the municipality doesn't impose restrictions. However, a group policy with assured coverage is generally a much better solution.

Tom Buchanan
Instructor Emeritus
Comm Pilot MSEL,G
Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy

[jsaxton 0]

Can you see Bill going for that?

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I would say Lodi, but I heard on Sunday that a bunch of jumpers decided to buy them a group membership. Maybe it was just a false rumor.

[diablopilot 2]

If they wanted to do a USPA ratings course, maybe.

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[Elisha 1]

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Can you see Bill going for that?

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I would say Lodi, but I heard on Sunday that a bunch of jumpers decided to buy them a group membership. Maybe it was just a false rumor.

See diablopilot's response....if others paid for it, then I don't see why Bill would object. Of course, I have a total of 10 jumps at the Parachute Center, so I can't say I know him that well.

[AirWhore 0]

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Problem is that even the DZs that are not members usually require membership for the insurance

I am not sure if people realize that if you have homeowners insurance, you probably have personal liability insurance along with it. I have heard of cases where it covered skydiving related incidents. Maybe somebody can verify that. Anyhow, there has got to be other sources of personal liability insurance than USPA. Insurance guys??? DZs could require proof of liability insurance rather than USPA membership.

You know i checked my renters insurance policy today and found out that I have $100,000 Personal Liability coverage.

Hmmmmm now why am I renewing my USPA membership????

Ohhh yeah that wonderful magazine....

[lauraliscious 0]

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You know i checked my renters insurance policy today and found out that I have $100,000 Personal Liability coverage.

Hmmmmm now why am I renewing my USPA membership????

Ohhh yeah that wonderful magazine....

Don't forget about that coaches rating!

Enemiga Rodriguez, PMS #369, OrFun #25, Team Dirty Sanchez #116, Pelt Head #29, Muff #4091

[UDSkyJunkie 0]

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Problem is that even the DZs that are not members usually require membership for the insurance

If I remember correctly, USPA's insurance will protect you ONLY if you are involved in an incident while jumping at a USPA member DZ. Ergo, requiring USPA membership for insurance purposes is pointless for a non-member DZ.

Not saying your statement is false, just that if it's true someone's not paying attention.

If I am incorrect, please let me know, but also point me in the direction of your source.

"Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission."

[voltage 0]

I can jump with my german DFV license in probably most if not all places in the U.S.

A german DFV licence is lifetime without having to be member of any organisation, and you can convert from a USPA-licence for around 40 € (have to take a small written test) - I know because I did my USPA licence first.

Might that be an option?

[chriswelker 0]

If I remember correctly, USPA's insurance will protect you ONLY if you are involved in an incident while jumping at a USPA member DZ. Ergo, requiring USPA membership for insurance purposes is pointless for a non-member DZ.

Not saying your statement is false, just that if it's true someone's not paying attention.

If I am incorrect, please let me know, but also point me in the direction of your source.

[Croc 0]

I think Xenia, OH is not a USPA dropzone. Nice place, too. I don't remember ever signing a waiver there either. LOTS of corn.

"Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so."

Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy

[hjumper33 0]

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Can you see Bill going for that?

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I would say Lodi, but I heard on Sunday that a bunch of jumpers decided to buy them a group membership. Maybe it was just a false rumor.

I would love to be there when someone tells Bill that they bought a USPA membership for his DZ. For some reason I dont think that would fly with bill.

[PhreeZone 20]

Xenia has a waiver, I've filled it out at least 7 times now. They are not a GM though. If it was lots of corn last year then this year is beans.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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[AnKaLi 0]

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Xenia has a waiver, I've filled it out at least 7 times now. They are not a GM though. If it was lots of corn last year then this year is beans.

Just don't land in the fenced in area with the dogs!

[UDSkyJunkie 0]

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Incorrect.

Source: Me.

I filled out paper work to have a flap replaced that was damaged by a USPA member and the plane was operated and owned by a non-GM at the time.The insurance company paid the claim.

The 3rd party liability insurance policy states that the incident/accident must occur at a DZ.

Thanks for the info. I did some looking, and found that you are quite right... there is no statement about requiring a USPA member dropzone, only that the jump was done conforming to the BSR's and FAR's and is not a demo as defined by the SIM.

This information directly contradicts what I have been told by many members of a certain non-member DZ for many years, who I ASSumed knew what they were talking about. The statement always made was that paying our $50 a year was even more pointless there because the only benefit (the insurance) wouldn't even cover us. I'm betting many of the people who told me this made the same assumption about someone else, and like me didn't check the fine print.

Seems I've been caught up in a bit of anti-USPA propoganda, and I am a pro-USPA guy. Those people with 100 jumps who are ranting up a storm about USPA ought to check their info.

"Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission."