ChasingBlueSky 0 #276 November 17, 2004 Has anyone contacted Google to let them know about the illegal practices of the websites they are listing? I'm thinknig they would remove the listings if we could give them solid proof._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #277 November 17, 2004 I e-mail every search engine I could find and told them about these issues. They told me they couldn't take action based on allegations. I just did a search on google a little while ago and the pirated Adventure skydiving sites are now harder to find. Still lots on MSN though. Partial victory? p.s. Hey Sid, how about 1-888-skyride? I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #278 November 17, 2004 It's not allegations if the photographers contact google, et al_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #279 November 17, 2004 QuoteIt's not allegations if the photographers contact google, et al correct QuoteInform ASC's local jumpers. they already know... i used to jump at asc. sometimes i still do. i chose to support hans paulsan and skydive the farm though. why?. well im not sure. it just feels right. and well alot of other peeps are following along. im having alot of fun at the farm, i used to have alot of fun at asc. but somwherer along the line it went away. as for chuting starr rigging loft. i love mike, he is a freind and an exccellent rigger, i will continue to send my buissness to him along with other buissness from my students, as long as there is no soliciting to come jump at there drop zone to the students i send there. and i think mike understands that. alot of the things that go on at asc are way out of hand and not my buissness. i like alot of peaple there including some of the owners. but the more i travel the more i relize there is a whole nother world out there. fgorgive the spelling errors cause i dont care! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #280 November 17, 2004 Quotei used to jump at asc. Are you still staff there? From the looks of the website, you still are. When did you leave? Also, my understanding is that there are a few other people on that list that are no longer staff members (including Nathan). http://www.ascskydiving.com/georgia_skydiving_staff.htm_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TOT 0 #281 November 17, 2004 Dont companies pay for 1-888 phone numbers by the call ? If they do then we should all call it every day and ask questions about skydiving then hang up. In the long run it might hurt them in the pocket book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropzonefool 0 #282 November 17, 2004 Post: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, I just read this entire thread and maybe I missed it where it was explained why they are so bad! Many DZo's will lie and let a newbie drive to there DZ and pass right by there competitor. I was so curious I googled 1800skyride, there websight states the tandem jump is $165, I found that un-offensive, so I called them and they confirmed it was $165 and tried to talk me in to buying an additional certificate to give to a friend so I would not have to jump alone, another marketing sale. I hung up on the guy and still do not understand WHY? ... Please tell me there is some substance to them being illegal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You didn't stay on the phone long enough to find out more of their tactics... If you ask them if they are the DZ you have in mind, which is actually someone else's, they will say "yes that's us" and give you vague directions to their own DZ, or they will say, "oh that DZ's closed, but we're open", when in reality, the DZ in question is not closed! I could go on and on and on... but I don't have the time. Do the research. This bullshit goes back 4 to 5 years. Blue Skies Billy RE posted to add...... while visiting the link Levin posted for Skydiv"ING" Houston. I clicked on the clicky, sent an email to >info@skydivinghouston.com< asking where they were located in Houston? I received a reply today from >www.skydivehouston.com< today stating they were located 45 minuets west of houston in Waller, TX. Puzzled at first, then thought, Skyride has hijacked thier e-mail too? well maybe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noctralucent 0 #283 November 17, 2004 The pain you feel must be pretty bad inside for you not even be able to come meet the people at ASC they are way cool. The word skyride is simply not is the place not on the walls not in the classroom not in or on the otter. If this so important to my dz than why don't I see it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #284 November 17, 2004 QuoteOK, I just read this entire thread .....Please tell me there is some substance to them being illegal? Read it again. You missed: 1) Copyright infringement mentioned in the thread. 2) Telling people the certificates are accepted at DZ's they are not. 3) Trademark infringement. Example here is Skydive Chicago 4) FRAUD. Setting up web sites for DZ's that do not exist for the purpose of selling the certificates that may or may not be redemable. Many Many examples listed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #285 November 17, 2004 QuoteIf this so important to my dz than why don't I see it here Because they don't want to associate the DZ with the scam. --just my thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #286 November 17, 2004 Quote p.s. Hey Sid, how about 1-888-skyride? DAMN! and I spent all night working on www.1800skyrider.comPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #287 November 17, 2004 QuoteRE posted to add...... while visiting the link Levin posted for Skydiv"ING" Houston. I clicked on the clicky, sent an email to >info@skydivinghouston.com< asking where they were located in Houston? I received a reply today from >www.skydivehouston.com< today stating they were located 45 minuets west of houston in Waller, TX. Puzzled at first, then thought, Skyride has hijacked thier e-mail too? well maybe No, I think somebody made a mistake - Skydive Houston IS in Waller, but www.skydivinghouston.com is NOT their website, www.skydivehouston.com is. I emailed the staff at SD Houston and let them know about the other website, so we'll see where it goes...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #288 November 17, 2004 How about this one? www.skydivingarizona.com Me see trouble brewing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #289 November 17, 2004 QuoteHow about this one? www.skydivingarizona.com Me see trouble brewing... I'm guessing Larry Hill is not going to be taking this sitting down... as big as Skydive Arizona is, he should have enough resources to beat off the parasites... Cary has basically taken up domain names for fictitious DZs in just about every state, including Alaska, North and South Dakota, Wyoming, Hawaii, and almost every major city. We all have our work cut out for us. Get out there and fight to get those domains back! Blue Skies, Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #290 November 17, 2004 QuoteI'm guessing Larry Hill is not going to be taking this sitting down... as big as Skydive Arizona is, he should have enough resources to beat off the parasites... And it's downright pathetic that Larry has to use his honestly earned money to fight a crook. I'm wondering why none of the funjumpers at ASC have piped in. I'm curious as to what they think of this. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #291 November 17, 2004 QuoteQuotei used to jump at asc. Are you still staff there? From the looks of the website, you still are. When did you leave? Also, my understanding is that there are a few other people on that list that are no longer staff members (including Nathan). http://www.ascskydiving.com/georgia_skydiving_staff.htm im not ON STAFF there. but it isnt like i would refuse to work for them at all.. but the reality is that i want to make a few working jumps each weekend and then make fun jumps, at asc i cant do that cause it is work work work. this sport is fun to me. not a job, and at asc i felt like it was a job to me, so i went elswhere. if you guys plan on trying to take skyride down, all i can say is you better get your shit together. cary is a genius when it comes to the net. whats up cary, i know your reading this. tell you beautifull wife i said hello. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #292 November 17, 2004 QuoteGoogle and the majority of other search engines use technology that moves you up the list based on how many people link to your site and how relavent it finds the searches to be on keywords. The issue is that unless you search for the DZ name exactly, you'll hit a Skyride site since they all link to each other. Its called self referal. OhioSkydiving.com has a referal somewhere in it to Cincinattiskydiving.com that refers to NewYorkSkydiving that refers to Californiaskydiving and its a big round robin. That and they pay for GoogleAds that ensures if someone searches for "Skydiving" or other keywords their ads are the first ones shown. The more sites they create the more likely they are to remain at the top. Its great marketing... if they were'nt doing bait and switch's, stealing photos, and misrepresenting themselves to the public. So if all the legit DZs were to create a “links” page and list all other legit DZs across the country, we would all be pushed to the top of searches? I know it would take a lot of work, a lot of cooperation, and for any politics between local DZs to be put aside, and I doubt that it would ever happen but it is a thought. I saw a site that had various locations in California listed as links at the bottom of their home page. These links for “SkydiveLA” took me to another page on the same site, for instance the FAQ page. Dose this work on the same theory to pick up more searches with these “links”?Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #293 November 17, 2004 http://www.skydiving.com/test/skydivinglocations/skydive_arizona.shtml 5 DZs all so close by in Arizona. How's Eloy gonna survive all that competition?? Ya know when I looked at skydiving.com before, I couldn't understand how it fit into the skyride scam since it links directly to real dropzones. What I hadn't noticed is that it shows locations for many of their fictional dropzones as well, and leaves off a huge number of apparently non-participating DZs. And of course the fictional ones are often located right in major urban areas, much more convenient for many people to get to. Well, until they're told to go somewhere else. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #294 November 17, 2004 QuoteHow's Eloy gonna survive all that competition?? Heck I dunno...maybe hire a gaggle of geese? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #295 November 17, 2004 QuoteI'm guessing Larry Hill is not going to be taking this sitting down... as big as Skydive Arizona is, he should have enough resources to beat off the parasites... Like he had to fight off www.arizonaskydiving.com?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #296 November 17, 2004 QuoteLike he had to fight off http://www.arizonaskydiving.com? There is an entire history there and agreements. Lets keep this about skyride shall we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #297 November 17, 2004 My apologies. I'm gonna shut up again.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #298 November 17, 2004 I fail to see how such deceptive advertizing can possibly be legal.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #299 November 17, 2004 Quote I fail to see how such deceptive advertizing can possibly be legal. Most of it isn't. Cary's just banking on the fact that nobody is going to bother taking him to court over it. I think he'll be unpleasantly surprised in the very near future."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #300 November 17, 2004 Maybe the history of a DZ doing legal battle for a web address that decietfully leads people to believe they are doing business with someone who they are not does belong in this thread.... or at least a link. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
