PhreeZone 20 #326 November 18, 2004 Could a lawyer or anyone that knows clarify if just anyone can report a copyright violation or if the owner of the copyright has to be the one that files the complaint. Also is there a precompiled form that you have to use or will anything work?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #327 November 18, 2004 Quoteanyone that knows clarify if just anyone can report a copyright violation or if the owner of the copyright has to be the one that files the complaint. Had to go through this once when I busted someone stealing my resume off of my website. A copyright violation is not a crime actually. So no, you cannot report it. No law enforcement agency can actually do anything about it. The best the copyright holder can do is to or have a lawyer send a cease and desist letter. If the letter is ignored, the violator can be sued for actual damages. Lawyer fees and additional penalties can only be sued for if the image/selection is registered with the Library of Congress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ematteo 0 #328 November 18, 2004 Not a lawyer but the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) is probably relevant here. Might make sense to reference it and a "takedown" request in any message to the service provider. Check out: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/iclp/dmca1.htm Quote· In general, limits Internet service providers from copyright infringement liability for simply transmitting information over the Internet. · Service providers, however, are expected to remove material from users' web sites that appears to constitute copyright infringement. More specifically, from the law: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c105:1:./temp/~c105zAslMX:e57590: Quote `(3) ELEMENTS OF NOTIFICATION- `(A) To be effective under this subsection, a notification of claimed infringement must be a written communication provided to the designated agent of a service provider that includes substantially the following: `(i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. `(ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site. `(iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material. `(iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted. `(v) A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. `(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. `(B)(i) Subject to clause (ii), a notification from a copyright owner or from a person authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner that fails to comply substantially with the provisions of subparagraph (A) shall not be considered under paragraph (1)(A) in determining whether a service provider has actual knowledge or is aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent. `(ii) In a case in which the notification that is provided to the service provider's designated agent fails to comply substantially with all the provisions of subparagraph (A) but substantially complies with clauses (ii), (iii), and (iv) of subparagraph (A), clause (i) of this subparagraph applies only if the service provider promptly attempts to contact the person making the notification or takes other reasonable steps to assist in the receipt of notification that substantially complies with all the provisions of subparagraph (A). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ematteo 0 #329 November 18, 2004 One of the knocks on the DMCA is that service providers are often over-quick to remove suspect material. This is helpful in this case. The reason is that there is no standard of proof required to take down material but if service providers leave it up, they are liable for copyright infringement ($$ damages). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #330 November 18, 2004 Quote I never said you or your friends are scum. I said you and your friends are part of a parasite support structure. You spend your money at the PARASITE's place of business. That money goes into the PARASITE's pocket and is used to further invest his infection on our sport. So are there other nearby DZs, or not? I heard 300 miles, but that seems unlikely. In any event, at a certain point you can't castigate every customer for jumping there. Driving extra miles to make a stand is a personal call. Ultimately fun jumpers will leave a place that delivers bad service. I am very entertained by the Atlanta Skydiving Website though. The deceptive practices are pretty apparent. "Call for our current special pricing!" And when in Alabama, visit the Alabama Skydiving Center. Compare the directions (from Huntsville) to the "two" DZs: Atlanta: .... Take I-20 east to US-231 toward Ashville/Pell City (Exit 158) Keep right at the fork in the ramp Turn left onto Hwy 34 at the light Turn left onto Mays Bend Road Take an immediate left onto Golf Course Rd. Go 2 miles and turn right onto Airport Road Alabama: .... Take I-20 east to US-231 toward exit #162 Pell City/Riverside Turn right off exit Left onto Truss Ferry Road at Citgo station Right onto Golf Coarse Road at a 4-way stop Left onto Airport Road, thru stop sign and we are the first hanger on right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #331 November 18, 2004 >So are there other nearby DZs, or not? Sure there is. Skydive the Farm is in the same town (Cedartown), just at a different location. I've heard its less then 15 minutes between the DZ's. Skydive Atlanta is no more then an hour away at the most. From the center of Atlanta I know of Monroe, Rome, Skydive the Farm, Skydive Atlanta that are all with in an hour and a half. Fun jumpers are'nt the ones that are providing the bulk of the money for him to keep advertising, its the students he sucks in that keeps paying for more of this.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #332 November 18, 2004 They emailed me back ***Hello John, We are not actually a dropzone. We are a reservation/booking agency all across the U.S. We put people in touch with local dropzones. I'm am not sure were your are going to be in the Arizona area. We recommend Arizona Skydiving Coolidge and Desert Skydiving Center. Are jumps are around $20.00 for the lift ticket. If you have any friends or relatives that would like to have a lifetime experience doing their first tandem skydive please give us a call. Thanks Anna 1-800-641-3483 Blue Skies www.skydivingarizona.com MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #333 November 18, 2004 QuoteThey emailed me back ***Hello John, We are not actually a dropzone. We are a reservation/booking agency all across the U.S. We put people in touch with local dropzones. I'm am not sure were your are going to be in the Arizona area. We recommend Arizona Skydiving Coolidge and Desert Skydiving Center. Are jumps are around $20.00 for the lift ticket. If you have any friends or relatives that would like to have a lifetime experience doing their first tandem skydive please give us a call. Thanks Anna 1-800-641-3483 Blue Skies www.skydivingarizona.com And Skydive Arizona, THE drop zone in Arizona, was conveniently left off? Sic 'em Larry! Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #334 November 18, 2004 Here is my reply to them ***Ok I am confused…how can you be advertising that you ARE a DZ but in reality your not? Sounds like a Bait and Switch? So these other two DZ are affiliated with you? This sport is very unforgiving and Karma is a bitch. Your false advertising is bad mojo and I don’t think I want to jump at any place with bad mojo~~~~I am going to search for these other two DZ And tell them the same thing.. Regards MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #335 November 18, 2004 catfishhunter has requested specific input via PM in this thread.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowhook 0 #336 November 18, 2004 Here was a call I just had with them: (skydivingarizona.com) *67 (block caller id) 1-800-641-3483 Them: Hello, adventure skydiving Me: Sorry, I thought this was Skydive Arizona. Them: Oh, we are their booking office Me: Ok, I wanted to check on team rates. My 4-way team would like to check the rate on 500 jump tickets. We will be there in Eloy on Jan 15-30 and will make at least 100 jumps as a team. Them: Please hold........ Them: OK, are you an experienced skydiver? Me: Well YES! That is the reason I want to buy at least 500 slots. Them: Please hold........ Them: OK, would you be wanting to make a tandem skydive? Me: Is this really Skydive Arizona, I just want to buy 500 jump tickets and arrange for some coaching with Airspeed. Them: Well actually Sir, we are a booking agency for over 400 dropzones around the country and... Me: So you're not Skydive Arizona...why did you try to act like them? Well this is certainly confusing. Goodbye What a joke that place is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brandihough 0 #337 November 18, 2004 Skydive the farm and ASC are about 8 mins apart. The prices for lift tickets are about the same as far as up jumpers go. There are more up jumpers at the farm (which is really odd because there are like only 2 that came from asc). Tandems are 129, but this weekend only 99. The farm is the fastest growing new dz that i've ever seen. Monroe only has a cessna right now I think. So we have a lot of up jumpers coming from there and skydive atlanta like myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #338 November 18, 2004 I have to admit I got a good laugh from Skyride's website for the Massachusetts Skydiving Center and the New Hampshire Skydiving center. Both ficticious DZs in the Southern New England area. From a personal stand point I agree that this type of marketing is misleading and does not promote our sport in an ethical or professional manner, but at the same time, I can also see it's core business plan (third party brokering) as a legitimate business practice. Third party brokering exists in all aspects of our economy, whether its limousines, concert tickets, I mean we go to Expedia to buy airline tickets, yet Expedia doesnt own an airline. I'm not defending skyride by any means, just saying that this type of third party brokering venture exists in all walks of life, and in some cases it actually is worth the higher premium paid on goods and services. (Like getting better seats to a concert because one ticket dealer has a better selection, despite the higher price). There have been some legitimate copy right infringements that some people have mentioned. Using pictures without consent, etc. That is wrong, that I don't agree with. Brokering tandem jumps isn't unethical, being dishonest and misleading on the phone and in advertising, thats the unethical part. My question is, is it possible for Skyride to continue to do business but in an ethical capacity? If they cared about the sport, they could actually be in a position to help the sport by acting more ethically and find a way to work with all USPA dropzones, instead of pitting them against each other. Just my .02 -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #339 November 18, 2004 Quote My question is, is it possible for Skyride to continue to do business but in an ethical capacity? If they cared about the sport, they could actually be in a position to help the sport by acting more ethically and find a way to work with all USPA dropzones, instead of pitting them against each other. Just my .02 Good luck trying to tell that hardhead Cary this. He only thinks how much money he can get at everybody else's expense. He won't care if it's ethical or not, that's the problem. Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #340 November 19, 2004 QuoteGood luck trying to tell that hardhead Cary this. He only thinks how much money he can get at everybody else's expense. He won't care if it's ethical or not, that's the problem. How old is this cary dude? ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #341 November 19, 2004 QuoteThere have been some legitimate copy right infringements that some people have mentioned. Using pictures without consent, etc. That is wrong, that I don't agree with. It goes a little beyond that. there are at least 26 websites that are basically cut and paste juobs of my site. QuoteMy question is, is it possible for Skyride to continue to do business but in an ethical capacity? I do business with a company that does everything that Skyride does but does it all above boards without tactics that break laws. The skyride concepts is good, but their methods are underhanded. They do nothing to earn their comisions. They hold students ransom, if you don't accept thier coupons, then they redirect students to other DZs. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #342 November 19, 2004 Quoteand in some cases it actually is worth the higher premium paid on goods and services. (Like getting better seats to a concert because one ticket dealer has a better selection, despite the higher price). i can't see how SkyRide can offer a better service that would justify higher cost by booking tandem reservations for other DZ's. His services are not going to get you on the plane any faster or offer a better window seat with peanuts or altoids to snack during the climb to altitude. i get what you are saying but i can't see how it would apply in this industry. bottom line is the best way for a 1st time tandem jump customer to jump is to make the reservation directly with the DZ. QuoteMy question is, is it possible for Skyride to continue to do business but in an ethical capacity? that is up to the DZ's and the industry. in light of all that has happened I don't see how this guy can ever be fully trusted. It's not just SkyRide. His evil business tactics have a history dating back 5+ years. QuoteIf they cared about the sport they don't Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #343 November 19, 2004 QuoteHow old is this cary dude? i believe he's married. he's old enough to have made millions at the expense of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #344 November 19, 2004 If he is guilty of "Bait & Switch" and he is then we need to find some of these people that were screwd over. These people are necessary to build a case for the FBI. I think involving the FBI would be a better answer to this problem than going after copy right infringements. Those of you that have put up consumer alert websites should add a notice for people who have been "Bait & Switched" to contact you. Once the FBI has actual victems to work with they can build a case against the parasite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #345 November 19, 2004 QuoteThird party brokering exists in all aspects of our economy, whether its limousines, concert tickets, I mean we go to Expedia to buy airline tickets, yet Expedia doesnt own an airline. I'm not defending skyride by any means, just saying that this type of third party brokering venture exists in all walks of life, and in some cases it actually is worth the higher premium paid on goods and services. (Like getting better seats to a concert because one ticket dealer has a better selection, despite the higher price). Expedia doesn't represent itself as an airline, and it doesn't sell you a ticket from Chicago to LAX and, only after you've paid, tell you that the plane actually departs from Fresno.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #346 November 19, 2004 QuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #347 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #348 November 19, 2004 QuoteCompare the directions (from Huntsville) to the "two" DZs: Not to defend but from what I recall (having been to Pell City before it was an ASC conglomerate) the directions were if you were coming east or west. It just saved time driving. The old DZ website had similar directions.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #349 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out? That his occupation is "Spy"?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lowhook 0 #350 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out? That his occupation is "Spy"? Hey, it is not as good as the guy from the Loki freefly team that listed his occupation on the bio for Nationals as "Horse Whisperer." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Next Page 14 of 92 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ChasingBlueSky 0 #347 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #348 November 19, 2004 QuoteCompare the directions (from Huntsville) to the "two" DZs: Not to defend but from what I recall (having been to Pell City before it was an ASC conglomerate) the directions were if you were coming east or west. It just saved time driving. The old DZ website had similar directions.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #349 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out? That his occupation is "Spy"?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowhook 0 #350 November 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrian Darnell Location: North America/United States/Illinois City: Geneva Occupation: Spy Email: lowhook@hotmail.com Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. License: D 18667 License Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 3000 Years in Sport: 11 Disciplines of Choice: Formation Skydiving Swooping Gear Container: Javelin Main Canopy: Katana 107 ft² (1.84 lbs/ft²) Reserve Canopy: PD Reserve 113 ft² (1.74 lbs/ft²) AAD: Cypres Forum Activity Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 2, 2002, 11:16 AM Last Logon: Nov 18, 2004, 2:56 PM Local Time: Nov 18, 2004, 7:56 PM Posts: 25 (0.0 per day) this is lowhook's profile... lol..... sorry but look at the profile! im not defending... lol... sorry... just pointing somthing out..... Ok - I missed it - what are you pointing out? That his occupation is "Spy"? Hey, it is not as good as the guy from the Loki freefly team that listed his occupation on the bio for Nationals as "Horse Whisperer." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
