hackish 8 #1 September 12, 2007 Being inexperienced with 21 jumps I wonder what the common definition of a hop & pop is? I've only done one and it was on a cloudy day with a very low exit alti. It was more of a climb out on strut let go and whip the PC out. The reason I ask is that I far prefer to dive out and turn into the relative wind - which I've done at 10k. If I'd done that on my only hop & pop the AAD would have surely fired. So my question is what altitude do you get off at generally and what sort of delay is there before whipping out the PC? -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #2 September 12, 2007 The lowest C and D USPA license holders can open their containers is 2000 feet, so that is as low as I would do a hop and pop. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beer 0 #3 September 12, 2007 A real Hop&pop is 3.5 Get stable and pitch. I'll still call anything 6 or below a hop and pop, but log it as a clear and pull above 4 (lowest pass we do) unless I burn it down. Even out at 4 you still have plenty of time to pull. Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #4 September 12, 2007 QuoteI far prefer to dive out and turn into the relative wind - which I've done at 10k. If I'd done that on my only hop & pop the AAD would have surely fired. What altitude did you exit at?Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #5 September 12, 2007 A hop-n-pop is getting out of the plane and opening your parachute without doing too much in between, right? I don't think the altitude is as important as the dive plan. I've done at least 50 hop-n-pops from 10,000ft.I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrken 0 #6 September 12, 2007 I consider to be one when I pitch on the hill (always stable tho); lol or I guess when the lift ticket is cheaper and says "hop 'n pop 4k" on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #7 September 12, 2007 QuoteA hop-n-pop is getting out of the plane and opening your parachute without doing too much in between, right? . Right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SansSuit 1 #8 September 12, 2007 QuoteBeing inexperienced with 21 jumps I wonder what the common definition of a hop & pop is? I've only done one and it was on a cloudy day with a very low exit alti. It was more of a climb out on strut let go and whip the PC out. So my question is what altitude do you get off at generally and what sort of delay is there before whipping out the PC? A true hop-n-pop is the same as a "clear and pull". As soon as you are clear of the aircraft you deploy the parachute. But the term has morphed into just about any low altitude exit. Here a hop-n-pop is usually 4,000'. I generally pull at about 3,500 and snivel to about 2,500'. That still gives me a few seconds of freefall time. With about 300 low altitude jumps a year, very few of them are real hop n pops. Peace, -Jeff.Peace, -Dawson. http://www.SansSuit.com The Society for the Advancement of Naked Skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #9 September 12, 2007 To me, a "H&P" is exactly what the SIM says it is... 2007 SIM Section 4 CATEGORY F: LEARNING AND PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES A clear and pull is used for emergency exits and pre-planned low-altitude jumps. Training: The sequence consists of a clear and pull from two altitudes: (1) first from 5,500 feet (2) once successful, from 3,500 feetMykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pwln 0 #10 September 12, 2007 Just like others have said, a Hop & Pop is usually just clear the aircraft and pull. Some people like to just clear the tail, others like to get a little speed because the canopy they are jumping opens better for them with some speed. It is pretty important to clear the tail first. (Cessna's come to mind) I like them from 2500, sometimes 2k (Accuracy), the ones I like the best are from 13-14k. I always tell the pilot "Don't run me over I'm doing a H&P from full Altitude". and the pilot will let me know if it's okay and more importantly they will let the other air traffic know. Hop and Pop = Clear and Pull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #11 September 12, 2007 I'm not sure about the true definition but I would probably say the altitude really doesn't matter. On a personal note I have done a few from around 1600ft. I don't really recommend it and you better have your head out of your ass if ANYTHING is not right. I do think that once you are qualified you should do one from 2000 ft just so you know what it's like in case of an emergency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #12 September 12, 2007 The terms "Clear & Pull" and "Hop 'n Pop" somehow became synonymous over the years. We used to figure that if it was an "emergency" situation or training, it was a "clear & pull". If you're doin' it for fun, it's a "hop n' pop"....regardless of altitude. Well, unless it's extremely low...then it's called a "pounce & bounce". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #13 September 12, 2007 Quote A real Hop&pop is 3.5 Get stable and pitch. I'd say a "real" H+P doesn't depend at all on altitude (you can take 10 seconds from 3.5 and not be low) but on how long your delay is. But I agree with you that I'd usually call anything up to 5k/6k a H+P.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 September 12, 2007 QuoteThe reason I ask is that I far prefer to dive out and turn into the relative wind - which I've done at 10k. If I'd done that on my only hop & pop the AAD would have surely fired. It still takes 10 seconds to descent the first 1000ft, no matter what height you get out at. If you exit at 4000ft and take 10 seconds to initiate deployment, it's just like dumping at 3000ft from terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #15 September 12, 2007 QuoteA clear and pull is used for emergency exits and pre-planned low-altitude jumps. I've done over 1200 clear and pulls ("hop and pops") with over 1000 of those on CRW jumps. Many were well over 10K with the highest ones from 16.5K. My last "real" freefall (over a couple of seconds) was a cutaway almost four years ago. 'skies, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #16 September 12, 2007 Quote The terms "Clear & Pull" and "Hop 'n Pop" somehow became synonymous over the years. We used to figure that if it was an "emergency" situation or training, it was a "clear & pull". If you're doin' it for fun, it's a "hop n' pop"....regardless of altitude. Well, unless it's extremely low...then it's called a "pounce & bounce". Clear and pull is the official USPA term. Hop and pop is slang, because it's easier and more fun to say. The terms are synonomous, like "dollar" and "buck." My lowest HP? ~1000 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #17 September 12, 2007 Quote On a personal note I have done a few from around 1600ft. I don't really recommend it and you better have your head out of your ass if ANYTHING is not right. Amen to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #18 September 12, 2007 If its anything above 4.5 grand, its low altitude rel work. Always more fun to bring your friends along "In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #19 September 12, 2007 While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?" Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #20 September 12, 2007 We do lots of H&P at my DZ we exit at 1000m 3200ft. It is great if the plane is full they will still let me on if I get out at 1000m If the pilot gives me a bit more I can get a good sit in for a few seconds before pitching. 2 ways are also a blast from 1000m. On an h&p from 1000m you would have to give a crazy long delay to get a cypris fire. I beleve the cyprics fires at 275m if you go that low your out of your mind or just want to get down to make the back to back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #21 September 12, 2007 What everyone else said. To me, a H&P or C&P is simply deploying after exit, with about three seconds of "freefall". Mainly though, a hop and pop is a lot of fun, or an opportunity to train canopy skills or work on my landing pattern."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flipper 0 #22 September 12, 2007 Agree ... out an' open ... height dosnt matter unless you dont have enough of it ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #23 September 12, 2007 Quote While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?" No, we do 10-way speedstars... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kefran 0 #24 September 12, 2007 at our DZ : from 3k to 5k : we call this a «garbage jump» at 13,5k : this is a hop and pop probably the best thing you can offer yourself to improve your canopy skills .... and one of the bests feelings too !-------------------------------------------------- I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildfan75 1 #25 September 12, 2007 Quote While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?" We still do at Wissota. When we are getting 4ish, its a launch and track. Fun stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
