WatchYourStep 0 #26 July 26, 2007 Quote many BOD types are good people but a few are enemys of USPA members But we elect those "enemys of USPA members". So we as upjumpers are the ones to blame. We can not sit by idle and let things continue if a problem truly exists. Jan I'm sure I can find this in the Governance Manual but you probably know it off the top of your head. Do the regional and national directors vote on a new ED or is it just the national directors? Also what does the vote have to be for approval (50% 2/3rds etc)? Are the directors votes made public on issues such as this? They are accountable to their constituents aren't they? "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #27 July 26, 2007 Quote Jan I'm sure I can find this in the Governance Manual but you probably know it off the top of your head. Do the regional and national directors vote on a new ED or is it just the national directors? Also what does the vote have to be for approval (50% 2/3rds etc)? It does not seem to be spelled out in the Governance Manual. See it at http://www.uspa.org/publications/manuals.htm.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #28 July 26, 2007 QuoteAnyway, as I understand how things have worked for the last few years, the relationship between ED, and the President of the Board of Directors has been a bit too tight. Both are former Golden Knight’s (for whatever that’s worth), Let's not for get if you file formal complants they go out of their way to hire one of their former golden weenies pals to help cover up what they don't want the membership to know about and protect their buddys! I have no respect for those two and I say good riddins, the sooner we flush the GK's out of office the better, they have been in for to many years. IMHOyou can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchYourStep 0 #29 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuote Let's not for get if you file formal complants they go out of their way to hire one of their former golden weenies pals to help cover up what they don't want the membership to know about and protect their buddys! Strato- Would you mind sharing some complaints that you know about and how they were covered? If people that are in the know (you) don't help people who are in the dark (others and I) then we'll never get change. Thanks "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #30 July 26, 2007 Tell you what why don't you call up Mr. Bangs and ask him to send you a copy of the "midwest report" and see what he says.... The answer is NO is was distroyed so they didn't look fools in the eyes of the FAA and get sued by those they tried to slander, Some of us don't/won't forget the fucking in the ass we as members got from HQ! It would interesting to hear what ever line of bullshit he might try to feed you. They spent membership money to produce it and hire there GK buddy, the membership has a right to read it, but you'll never get a copy. If I posted what I really think about Needels and Bangs it would be a PA and I would get banned, even if it is true.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #31 July 26, 2007 QuoteTell you what why don't you call up Mr. Bangs and ask him to send you a copy of the "midwest report" and see what he says.... . AWRIGHT ! ! ! MORE DRAMA.....I jus' luv drama. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #32 July 26, 2007 That is because you been around the block a time or two and know how the "good old boy " club works.When following your leaders, watch what you step in. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #33 July 26, 2007 Quote That is because you been around the block a time or two and know how the "good old boy " club works.When following your leaders, watch what you step in. I've been mystified by Needles "mainstreaming" program for years. Not enough to protest or walk away....just enough to stay interested. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #34 July 26, 2007 Quote Jan I'm sure I can find this in the Governance Manual but you probably know it off the top of your head. Do the regional and national directors vote on a new ED or is it just the national directors? All the Directors have an equal voice in anything that comes before the BOD. QuoteAlso what does the vote have to be for approval (50% 2/3rds etc)? I do not know, but I think it may only have to be a simple majority. Quote Are the directors votes made public on issues such as this? I doubt it. I think it will be a 'secret' ballot, but how we do that via email is a mystery to me right now. QuoteThey are accountable to their constituents aren't they? The Directors are accountable to members, of course. But that does not mean you learn who they voted for, for any 'secret' ballot. And to the recent posts... well, I can't say anything..... except keep up the conversation. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #35 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuote And to the recent posts... well, I can't say anything..... except keep up the conversation. . Jan...sometimes you say a book , without saying anything. I am glad I voted for you. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #36 July 26, 2007 QuoteThe Directors are accountable to members, of course. But that does not mean you learn who they voted for, for any 'secret' ballot. That is a contradiction. If the USPA is a non-profit member driven organization then why are we having "secret ballots" How can a member tell if their elected BOD is representing their views if they don't know how they are voting. In most respected member organizations and in some by state law the only time that a board can meet and vote out of the presence of the membership is in Executive Session for reasons of disciple or pending litigation which after there is resolution the information is available to the membership. If this is how the USPA does business then they just lost another member. QuoteI do not know, but I think it may only have to be a simple majority.A simple majority of what, the voting BOD present at the meeting or the whole BOD?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #37 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe Directors are accountable to members, of course. But that does not mean you learn who they voted for, for any 'secret' ballot. That is a contradiction. If the USPA is a non-profit member driven organization then why are we having "secret ballots" How can a member tell if their elected BOD is representing their views if they don't know how they are voting. In most respected member organizations and in some by state law the only time that a board can meet and vote out of the presence of the membership is in Executive Session for reasons of disciple or pending litigation which after there is resolution the information is available to the membership. If this is how the USPA does business then they just lost another member. Actually, Roberts Rules (RR) does say that any member of the assembly can request a 'secret' ballot. If the assembly agrees to that, then the ballot shall be made in secret. I don't have time to quote the exact page in RR, but it is in there. QuoteQuoteI do not know, but I think it may only have to be a simple majority.A simple majority of what, the voting BOD present at the meeting or the whole BOD? RR specifically defines that a majority is to be determined by the majority of 'votes cast'. Vote cast means yes or no votes. The total votes cast is equal to yeses plus nos. Divide yeses by total votes cast to get percentage. Abstains or absent members do not count towards the calculation of the percentage. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #38 July 26, 2007 It is a shame when board members use Roberts Rules as a shield to justify unacceptable behavior. RR are voluntary guidelines and can not circumvent law which is why states are enacting laws to prevent the very thing you just quoted. The question begs why would you need or want to vote by secret ballot for an ED? Why do organizations bigger and better than the USPA not have to or see the need to hide things from the members? Also you answer fails to address the first part of my question. Based on your response my previous statement stands.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #39 July 27, 2007 QuoteIt is a shame when board members use Roberts Rules as a shield to justify unacceptable behavior. I'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowlegde of your accusations. Mike - I will challenge you to educate yourself about RR. RR was written to uphold and promote the minority opinion in assemblies at a level of equal time and equal voice. IOW, the majority can not shout down the minority by being louder or more populous. RR is dedicated to ensuring that minority voices can be heard before an assembly. QuoteThe question begs why would you need or want to vote by secret ballot for an ED? Because the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #40 July 27, 2007 QuoteI'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowledge of your accusations.Then you have made a mistake. I have sat on several BOD both for profit and non-profit the most recent being an organization with 70,000 members. I have also served as Parliamentarian. Contrary to your belief you are not the only educated person here. Yes I can speak “authoritatively” as I have seen BOD misuse RR as a shield and bully members before. I made the statement as a general statement for any BOD of any organization that it would apply to. If you are somehow feeling offended or guilty maybe you should ask yourself why?QuoteBecause the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' No, in fact I can not imagine a professional administrator acting so sophomoric in the 21st Century. Talk about a lack of confidence. If I went around worrying if everyone was happy with me then I would not be doing my job. If they act like that then they need to be replaced. And what happens when they are in and you vote against them on a issue, by your statement they could not like or help you then? I can not believe that as educated as you are that you would even make such statements. Now explain to me how so many of the non-profit member organizations do so well voting out in the open? Explain why states have enacted laws to prevent “secret ballots” in non-profit member organizations?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #41 July 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowledge of your accusations. Then you have made a mistake. I have sat on several BOD both for profit and non-profit the most recent being an organization with 70,000 members. I have also served as Parliamentarian. Contrary to your belief you are not the only educated person here. Yes I can speak “authoritatively” as I have seen BOD misuse RR as a shield and bully members before. I made the statement as a general statement for any BOD of any organization that it would apply to. If you are somehow feeling offended or guilty maybe you should ask yourself why? When was the last time you were at a USPA BOD mtg? And saw how the USPA Chair runs mtgs? At the 2007 Summer mtg, the Chair did bully a BOD member. He summarily dismissed a BOD member from 3 committees without cause in a closed session that was supposedly the President's report. That is definitely an abuse of position. Within hours, that BOD member was back on all 3 committees. I agree with you that sunshine laws are in place to prevent such abuses. The original statement that you objected to was "Actually, Roberts Rules (RR) does say that any member of the assembly can request a 'secret' ballot. If the assembly agrees to that, then the ballot shall be made in secret. I don't have time to quote the exact page in RR, but it is in there." I looked up the exact reference in RR. From page 274, lines 24-26 RR says "A member who believes that a secret vote will give a truer expression of the assembly's will on a pending motion can move that the vote on the motion be taken by ballot." As you already mentioned, disciplinary actions are held in closed sessions and voting is closed, with only the vote count made public. USPA also uses secret or closed votes whenever there is a 'personality' involved. That pertains to election of officers, USPA awards and US Nationals. The USPA Gov. Man specifically says the officer elections are closed and secret. Awards are voted in a closed session, but not by secret ballot. US Nationals bids are presented and debated in public, but the balloting is secret. As for the accountability of all BOD members and their voting record, I have developed a Motion Manager that we have used in trial runs at the past two BOD mtgs that record each members vote on each motion. At the 2007 Summer mtg the C&B, Exec, GM, MS, N&E and S&T Committees all used motion manager to present and record their motions. There are a few glitches that need to be resolved, but I do expect motion manager to eventually be adopted by the USPA BOD to record voting records of the BOD. That will enhance the accountability of BOD members to the membership. QuoteQuoteBecause the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' No, in fact I can not imagine a professional administrator acting so sophomoric in the 21st Century. Well, then you do not know the nature of the beast. Quote Talk about a lack of confidence. If I went around worrying if everyone was happy with me then I would not be doing my job. If they act like that then they need to be replaced. And what happens when they are in and you vote against them on a issue, by your statement they could not like or help you then? I can not believe that as educated as you are that you would even make such statements. I, like you, do not lose sleep if someone thinks I did the wrong thing. However, there are a few BOD members that do things to promote their 'agenda' and try to promulgate their perceived power and authority to the detriment of the members. QuoteNow explain to me how so many of the non-profit member organizations do so well voting out in the open? Explain why states have enacted laws to prevent “secret ballots” in non-profit member organizations? Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? In essence, Mike, I agree with you about making debates and voting records public as much as possible. There are situations that a public vote record would not be to the benefit of the assembly or organization. Selecting the ED is one of those cases. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cpoxon 0 #42 July 27, 2007 Quote Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? A member votes for a director who sits on the BOD but that director votes for an ED that the member would not have wanted. Shouldn't a constituent know how the person they voted for (or even didn't) acted so that they may factor that into any future decision or action?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #43 July 27, 2007 QuoteQuote Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? A member votes for a director who sits on the BOD but that director votes for an ED that the member would not have wanted. Shouldn't a constituent know how the person they voted for (or even didn't) acted so that they may factor that into any future decision or action? This is not a US Presidential election where your entire life history is under scrutiny of the public. This is a position in a private organization. The applications for ED are confidential information. If a private organization, such as USPA, divulged all those that applied and were or were not selected for a position, they could be sued for release of private information. USPA is under no obligation to release potential candidates by name or by releasing their resumes. Also, USPA BOD members generally know or have more information about a particular candidate than a regular member. The actions of a BOD member are made with more information and knowledge than what would be known to a regular member. BOD members cannot disclose the additional information under most circumstances and therefore cannot legally justify their vote or make their vote public without compromising the confidentiality of a particular candidate. The reality is that constiuents and the BOD will only know that xyz candidate received a majority of the votes. No one will know how large that marjority was or who voted for so-n-so. .. 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MikeForsythe 0 #36 July 26, 2007 QuoteThe Directors are accountable to members, of course. But that does not mean you learn who they voted for, for any 'secret' ballot. That is a contradiction. If the USPA is a non-profit member driven organization then why are we having "secret ballots" How can a member tell if their elected BOD is representing their views if they don't know how they are voting. In most respected member organizations and in some by state law the only time that a board can meet and vote out of the presence of the membership is in Executive Session for reasons of disciple or pending litigation which after there is resolution the information is available to the membership. If this is how the USPA does business then they just lost another member. QuoteI do not know, but I think it may only have to be a simple majority.A simple majority of what, the voting BOD present at the meeting or the whole BOD?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #37 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe Directors are accountable to members, of course. But that does not mean you learn who they voted for, for any 'secret' ballot. That is a contradiction. If the USPA is a non-profit member driven organization then why are we having "secret ballots" How can a member tell if their elected BOD is representing their views if they don't know how they are voting. In most respected member organizations and in some by state law the only time that a board can meet and vote out of the presence of the membership is in Executive Session for reasons of disciple or pending litigation which after there is resolution the information is available to the membership. If this is how the USPA does business then they just lost another member. Actually, Roberts Rules (RR) does say that any member of the assembly can request a 'secret' ballot. If the assembly agrees to that, then the ballot shall be made in secret. I don't have time to quote the exact page in RR, but it is in there. QuoteQuoteI do not know, but I think it may only have to be a simple majority.A simple majority of what, the voting BOD present at the meeting or the whole BOD? RR specifically defines that a majority is to be determined by the majority of 'votes cast'. Vote cast means yes or no votes. The total votes cast is equal to yeses plus nos. Divide yeses by total votes cast to get percentage. Abstains or absent members do not count towards the calculation of the percentage. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #38 July 26, 2007 It is a shame when board members use Roberts Rules as a shield to justify unacceptable behavior. RR are voluntary guidelines and can not circumvent law which is why states are enacting laws to prevent the very thing you just quoted. The question begs why would you need or want to vote by secret ballot for an ED? Why do organizations bigger and better than the USPA not have to or see the need to hide things from the members? Also you answer fails to address the first part of my question. Based on your response my previous statement stands.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #39 July 27, 2007 QuoteIt is a shame when board members use Roberts Rules as a shield to justify unacceptable behavior. I'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowlegde of your accusations. Mike - I will challenge you to educate yourself about RR. RR was written to uphold and promote the minority opinion in assemblies at a level of equal time and equal voice. IOW, the majority can not shout down the minority by being louder or more populous. RR is dedicated to ensuring that minority voices can be heard before an assembly. QuoteThe question begs why would you need or want to vote by secret ballot for an ED? Because the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #40 July 27, 2007 QuoteI'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowledge of your accusations.Then you have made a mistake. I have sat on several BOD both for profit and non-profit the most recent being an organization with 70,000 members. I have also served as Parliamentarian. Contrary to your belief you are not the only educated person here. Yes I can speak “authoritatively” as I have seen BOD misuse RR as a shield and bully members before. I made the statement as a general statement for any BOD of any organization that it would apply to. If you are somehow feeling offended or guilty maybe you should ask yourself why?QuoteBecause the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' No, in fact I can not imagine a professional administrator acting so sophomoric in the 21st Century. Talk about a lack of confidence. If I went around worrying if everyone was happy with me then I would not be doing my job. If they act like that then they need to be replaced. And what happens when they are in and you vote against them on a issue, by your statement they could not like or help you then? I can not believe that as educated as you are that you would even make such statements. Now explain to me how so many of the non-profit member organizations do so well voting out in the open? Explain why states have enacted laws to prevent “secret ballots” in non-profit member organizations?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #41 July 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm gonna call you on this one. You are NOT speaking from a place of authority or expertise and are casting unjustified aspersions upon a group of people that may not have knowledge of your accusations. Then you have made a mistake. I have sat on several BOD both for profit and non-profit the most recent being an organization with 70,000 members. I have also served as Parliamentarian. Contrary to your belief you are not the only educated person here. Yes I can speak “authoritatively” as I have seen BOD misuse RR as a shield and bully members before. I made the statement as a general statement for any BOD of any organization that it would apply to. If you are somehow feeling offended or guilty maybe you should ask yourself why? When was the last time you were at a USPA BOD mtg? And saw how the USPA Chair runs mtgs? At the 2007 Summer mtg, the Chair did bully a BOD member. He summarily dismissed a BOD member from 3 committees without cause in a closed session that was supposedly the President's report. That is definitely an abuse of position. Within hours, that BOD member was back on all 3 committees. I agree with you that sunshine laws are in place to prevent such abuses. The original statement that you objected to was "Actually, Roberts Rules (RR) does say that any member of the assembly can request a 'secret' ballot. If the assembly agrees to that, then the ballot shall be made in secret. I don't have time to quote the exact page in RR, but it is in there." I looked up the exact reference in RR. From page 274, lines 24-26 RR says "A member who believes that a secret vote will give a truer expression of the assembly's will on a pending motion can move that the vote on the motion be taken by ballot." As you already mentioned, disciplinary actions are held in closed sessions and voting is closed, with only the vote count made public. USPA also uses secret or closed votes whenever there is a 'personality' involved. That pertains to election of officers, USPA awards and US Nationals. The USPA Gov. Man specifically says the officer elections are closed and secret. Awards are voted in a closed session, but not by secret ballot. US Nationals bids are presented and debated in public, but the balloting is secret. As for the accountability of all BOD members and their voting record, I have developed a Motion Manager that we have used in trial runs at the past two BOD mtgs that record each members vote on each motion. At the 2007 Summer mtg the C&B, Exec, GM, MS, N&E and S&T Committees all used motion manager to present and record their motions. There are a few glitches that need to be resolved, but I do expect motion manager to eventually be adopted by the USPA BOD to record voting records of the BOD. That will enhance the accountability of BOD members to the membership. QuoteQuoteBecause the ED has to work with all of the BOD after she/he gets the job. It is better if the ED does not know if a particular director voted for them. Come on, you can certainly see a subjective bias of "hey this one did not vote for me, so I'm not going to help or facilitate as much as I could' versus 'hey this one did vote for me, I'll do anything they ask' No, in fact I can not imagine a professional administrator acting so sophomoric in the 21st Century. Well, then you do not know the nature of the beast. Quote Talk about a lack of confidence. If I went around worrying if everyone was happy with me then I would not be doing my job. If they act like that then they need to be replaced. And what happens when they are in and you vote against them on a issue, by your statement they could not like or help you then? I can not believe that as educated as you are that you would even make such statements. I, like you, do not lose sleep if someone thinks I did the wrong thing. However, there are a few BOD members that do things to promote their 'agenda' and try to promulgate their perceived power and authority to the detriment of the members. QuoteNow explain to me how so many of the non-profit member organizations do so well voting out in the open? Explain why states have enacted laws to prevent “secret ballots” in non-profit member organizations? Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? In essence, Mike, I agree with you about making debates and voting records public as much as possible. There are situations that a public vote record would not be to the benefit of the assembly or organization. Selecting the ED is one of those cases. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #42 July 27, 2007 Quote Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? A member votes for a director who sits on the BOD but that director votes for an ED that the member would not have wanted. Shouldn't a constituent know how the person they voted for (or even didn't) acted so that they may factor that into any future decision or action?Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #43 July 27, 2007 QuoteQuote Explain to me how the membership or USPA would benefit if you knew which BOD members voted for the new ED? A member votes for a director who sits on the BOD but that director votes for an ED that the member would not have wanted. Shouldn't a constituent know how the person they voted for (or even didn't) acted so that they may factor that into any future decision or action? This is not a US Presidential election where your entire life history is under scrutiny of the public. This is a position in a private organization. The applications for ED are confidential information. If a private organization, such as USPA, divulged all those that applied and were or were not selected for a position, they could be sued for release of private information. USPA is under no obligation to release potential candidates by name or by releasing their resumes. Also, USPA BOD members generally know or have more information about a particular candidate than a regular member. The actions of a BOD member are made with more information and knowledge than what would be known to a regular member. BOD members cannot disclose the additional information under most circumstances and therefore cannot legally justify their vote or make their vote public without compromising the confidentiality of a particular candidate. The reality is that constiuents and the BOD will only know that xyz candidate received a majority of the votes. No one will know how large that marjority was or who voted for so-n-so. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #44 July 29, 2007 Is there a job description including responsibilities and duties? What are the minimum requirements for this position like education and previous work experience? Will there be an interview process? And who gets to conduct such an interview? Anyway, I will take the job. What's it pay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
