billvon 2,989 #51 June 19, 2007 > USPA should publish a series of "best practices," then let individual >DZs figure out which "best practice" works best at the local level. I agree. Now, of course, all that stuff is already in the SIM; no one reads it. (I mean, you are actually taking the time to post about it, and you didn't even read it!) So to make sure people read it, we should put it on the one page of the SIM that people actually do on occasion read - the BSR page. List 'best practices' and let each DZO decide how to implement it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #52 June 19, 2007 QuoteA newby swooper...not a newby skydiver. He will make his approach onto the swooper area and cause problems. The resent Fatalities were far from a Newbie swooper. The swooper that collapsed my canopy 40 feet off the ground on final by Carving around me and stealing my air was FAR from a newbie. My point was the most experienced often quickly become the most complacent. Look at the stats, it is not just the newbies (Swoopers) that are the problem. QuoteBut when you intropduce students to the swopop[ area, you introduce increased hazards. But everywhere is Swoop Area now. Atleast with this there would an area they were told to avoid. Yes, Student will end up where they are not supposed to be. Swoopers will still have to Look before they swoop.. But having the off chance of a student in your swoop area vs having the entire load in your swoop area seem like an HUGE improving to me. QuoteWhat dictates a swoop? In my humble opinion.. Any Aggressive Turn more than 90 degrees on to final that is done with the intent to accelerate landing speed. QuoteBut seperate landing areas will not always be feasible. Then separation in Time. QuoteWhat is the smallest DZ you have ever visited? ASC far as landing area size. And you are correct. Not all DZ`s will have room to accommodate all disciplines at the same time. QuoteI do believe there needs to be something...just not dictated by USPA. It is a DZ issue. I don’t care who does it, Just long as it gets done. In the meantime, I would not Jump anywhere that allows HPL`s and Standard landing patterns in the same area at the same time and hopefully others will take a stand as well. QuoteI did not get your response on the BSR Waiver issue? Care to provide feedback? Sure, If the DZ has a waiver and allows activities that I feel unnecessarily endanger me (And I consider allowing swoopers to land whereever, whenever and however they please as an unnecessary danger to me), I wont jump there. Hopefully others will do the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dob 0 #53 July 6, 2007 Yo, here is the thing I just don't get...I look at the Forums: Skydiving: General Skydiving Discussions main page and see the number of folks that have viewed and replied : such as the following threads by subject /views/ replies: - Poll:How should we deal with pattern collisions? 1498 / 51 - BSR proposal for canopy patterns 9095 / 285 - Petition to support a BSR change to reduce canopy fatalities 6680 / 332 - Post your Hot Swoop Pic(s) 72792 / 682 Pictures win hands down...go figure... Ok, if just half the folks viewing voted their feelings on the poll we might have some meaningful data for skydivers and the USPA Board to get a feel for what folks are thinking.... come on just try it, only 4 choices and no pass-fail... if ya vote we will send ya pictures..... Bluest Skies & Peace, dob http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2826117;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread[url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #54 July 6, 2007 Quote Pictures win hands down...go figure... Considering that thread was started Sep 18, 2003 - I'd certainly expect it to be so high in views. The BSR proposal for canopy patterns & Petition to support a BSR change to reduce canopy fatalities threads were started less than 6 months ago - it would appear that you're getting more views and replies (on average) per month than the 'picture' thread. I think the threads are getting PLENTY of attention. After all, when was the last time you arrived at a DZ and spoke about the picture thread on DZ.com hehe. I can't throw a rock and not hit someone talking about the BSR thread Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #55 July 6, 2007 Quote I can't throw a rock and not hit someone talking about the BSR thread [Wink] So now you're throwing rocks at us?? We see how you swoopers are... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #56 July 6, 2007 Quote Quote I can't throw a rock and not hit someone talking about the BSR thread [Wink] So now you're throwing rocks at us?? We see how you swoopers are... Touche'!! On a more serious note I can't tell you how EXCITED I am to turn up at a DZ and have canopy piloting be the central topic of conversation. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #57 July 6, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I can't throw a rock and not hit someone talking about the BSR thread [Wink] So now you're throwing rocks at us?? We see how you swoopers are... Touche'!! On a more serious note I can't tell you how EXCITED I am to turn up at a DZ and have canopy piloting be the central topic of conversation. Blues, Ian My last vacation I took Scott Miller's basic course, and I plan to take more - I learned a lot! Before the first jump, several of us walked down to the LZ to check winds and discuss the pattern. During the walk, we were talking about our reasons for taking the class - mine was "to become a better canopy pilot and to have the skills to be able to land off in a tight area". Guess what I did on the first jump? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #58 July 6, 2007 Maybe if you didn’t publicly ridicule people for participating in discussions on DZ.com they would be more likely to participate. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlipColmer 0 #59 July 6, 2007 Hello Ian! Quote Quote Considering that thread was started Sep 18, 2003 - I'd certainly expect it to be so high in views. I know I'm new to the forum mechanics, but I can only see back to Bill Von's May 30, 2007 start of this thread. What am I doing wrong? Quote I can't throw a rock and not hit someone talking about the BSR thread Outstanding! Sometimes the only way to get a seagull to fly is to throw rocks at it. Yet, it can fly on its own if it chose to. Motivation from any source is still motivation. Just let me know when to duck.Blue SKies, Flip, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dob 0 #60 July 6, 2007 ppsssstttt....Flip...the thread about hot swoop pics...2003... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlipColmer 0 #61 July 6, 2007 DOB! Doh! Flippersan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dob 0 #62 July 18, 2007 Thank you everyone for participating in this very important issue of education and safety concerning canopies and flying in the pattern, where-ever. 9 fatalities a year under fully open parachutes needs to be addressed. Now WE jumpers are addressing it. The thread to see the results of being pro-active and making a difference is: General Discussions: Results of USPA meeting re: pattern separation - billvon Bluest Skies & Peace, dob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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