Cayce 0 #26 November 4, 2004 Hey Speer, You know, you said something that made me think a little. You knew that you were over the LZ when you jumped. I was also right over the LZ when I was coming down as I was in the middle of the line-up and we made our second pass and I was the first one out. Thing is I'm only putting that together in retrospect, at the time it wasn't a consideration while I was doing the spin thing. So the problem then becomes that had I been off of the LZ I could have been over one of those hills that boarder the LZ. That could have taken away 500-800 feet (just an estimation) So, had I been a few hundred yards from where I was I may not have had the margin for error that I thought I did. In which case I definitely stayed with the main shoot for too long. Lesson learned; pay more attention to where I am in relation to the LZ before I exit, compress my evaluation period and cut away as soon as I know it's a Mal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speer 0 #27 November 5, 2004 Cayce, You're doing fine, and showing a good understanding of the jump environment for someone brand new, so don't sweat not thinking about your position relative to the DZ. Don't get me wrong, it is very important, but at this point, your jumpmasters will pre-plan that, as evidenced by the go around. As far as being over high hills, you generally have to be quite north or south of jump run to lose significant usable altitude, but it's great that you recognize the potential hazard! You'll get a better handle on that with more jumps, as you begin to understand the effects of the "uppers" (upper winds that move you along their path). My comment about pre-planning for an off DZ landing were aimed at the possibility for you to be over the lake, and low after a malfunction / cutaway. As a student who will be pulling high, that is more likely. While the lake and surrounding hills can be intimidating, the relatively flat shoreline (in areas) can be pretty good "outs". Remember, as I'm sure was covered in your first jump course, ensuring you have a safe place to land is the next highest priority after pulling. So if you ever find yourself low, don't get suckered into trying for the DZ, if there is ANY POSSIBILITY that you do not have sufficient altitude to make it back there. Having a chat with your instructors about what to do if you need to land "out", would not be inappropriate now. Again, congratulations on the job well done, and to the instructors who helped prepare you. Russ Generally, it is your choice; will your life serve as an example... or a warning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #28 November 5, 2004 By the sounds of things you did pretty well. As a student myself I can understand why you spent so long on it, but we were taught if the canopy is high speed (less than 4 cells) cut away, if it is low speed then you can try twice to clear the malfunction but after that cut away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #29 November 5, 2004 Quotewe were taught if the canopy is high speed (less than 4 cells) cut away COuld you clarify this? Do you mean only 4 cells inflated? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #30 November 5, 2004 Yeah, if there are less than 4 inflated it is High Speed, if there are 4 or more inflated it is low speed and you can have a go at clearing the malfunction. I had line twists on my AFF1, which is low speed so I kicked them out without any trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #31 November 5, 2004 QuoteYeah, if there are less than 4 inflated it is High Speed, if there are 4 or more inflated it is low speed and you can have a go at clearing the malfunction. Does it apply to lineovers? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #32 November 5, 2004 Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like either the slider was up and/or you had a line over. Either way you did the right thing. Good instructors/good student. Now get back up there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cayce 0 #33 November 9, 2004 Well, I got back up there, passed my AFF-3, and satisfied my beer debts. Thanks for the support from everyone. It really was surprising how that next jump messed with my head. It was difficult going out the door. I set up for a pinch exit on the Otter and I realize that my main side JM is tapping my right hand. I guess I had a firm grip on the overhead bar and didn't want to pull it down to pinch the door. It was sub-conscious so when he pointed it out it kind of made me laugh and the rest of the jump went fine. I satisfied my requirements for level 3 and I'm off to do level 4 and possibly 5 this coming weekend. Thanks again. CJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
