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Zoter 0
Relax.......
Easier said than done granted....but relax....
Maybe ask your instructor if you can 'lock on' a little bit higher to give you some extra secs in freefall with your hand on the handle and your left arm in front of you to get used to the feeling of 'pull time'
Worked for me....
Thats my experience talking.....not an 'Instructors' advice
Easier said than done granted....but relax....
Maybe ask your instructor if you can 'lock on' a little bit higher to give you some extra secs in freefall with your hand on the handle and your left arm in front of you to get used to the feeling of 'pull time'
Worked for me....
Thats my experience talking.....not an 'Instructors' advice
f1shlips 2
Quote3) Enjoy the experience, don't take on the attitude of "I wish this part was over"
It's been a while since you've jumped student gear eh?
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QuoteQuote3) Enjoy the experience, don't take on the attitude of "I wish this part was over"
It's been a while since you've jumped student gear eh?
Acutally, I try to stay current with all kinds of equipment, large and small. Staying relaxed during the pull sequence and though the opening effects the situation. You can actually cause line-twists by being too stiff during the opening.
Resisting reality is how bad things happen.
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MNM604 0
I like the idea of locking on earlier in order to relax a bit more. I appreciate the input and will try this. I know its all about rushing, but this sounds like it might help. Thanks.
to clarify, did your instructors say you're going unstable just when you reach? or does any of it have to do w/ watching the alti?
and when doing practice touches, are you actually grabbing the handle/ or just touching it? you may be moving your arm and hip in a different way when actual pull time comes, in order to grasp the handle. Makes sense to me.
just some suggestions of things you might want to ask your instructors
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and when doing practice touches, are you actually grabbing the handle/ or just touching it? you may be moving your arm and hip in a different way when actual pull time comes, in order to grasp the handle. Makes sense to me.
just some suggestions of things you might want to ask your instructors
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MNM604 0
Yeah, its just happening at pull time. I have reached a good arch, and stay stable up until the pull. During my practive pulles, I do grab onto it. I know its about relaxing and getting comfortable with the pull. My last one I started sideways as I was reaching, and actually started a bit head down.
I try to take an extra moment after reaching and grabbing my handle to just soak it in, feel calm and stable... then I smoothly (not quickly) pull. I find that I get the nicest openings when I just remain calm and aware, using only nice smooth movements, and taking the extra moment after reaching my handle to just feel the stability. Other times, I just whip around, pull and toss, then I deal with the opening... it's obvious which is the better situation.
Take an extra moment. At 5500 feet you are not 1 second from death. You have time to get stable, slowly reach, pause and then slowly extract. Discuss it with your instructor, tell them your plan on feeling the stability, see what they say.
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Take an extra moment. At 5500 feet you are not 1 second from death. You have time to get stable, slowly reach, pause and then slowly extract. Discuss it with your instructor, tell them your plan on feeling the stability, see what they say.
-A
QuoteI try to take an extra moment after reaching and grabbing my handle to just soak it in, feel calm and stable... then I smoothly (not quickly) pull.
Good point. But thrown that PC like it's a live grenade, and clear your burbble. A PC in tow is not that fun
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QuoteQuoteI try to take an extra moment after reaching and grabbing my handle to just soak it in, feel calm and stable... then I smoothly (not quickly) pull.
Good point. But thrown that PC like it's a live grenade, and clear your burbble. A PC in tow is not that fun
Maybe I don't have a big burble... never had a problem.
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hookitt 1
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Good point. But thrown that PC like it's a live grenade, and clear your burbble.
I see why you would say that but it's not necessary. Read Brian's post again. It's a good one.
Reach back take hold then just toss it. Let it go at arm extension. It's not the trowing hard that does the work it's the letting go at arm extension part that does the trick.
A PC in tow is not that fun
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That's true but you may be thinking of a pilot chute hesitation. If you pull it out of the pouch and just let go, then you're asking for the PC to sit in the burble.
Speer 0
If you're going head down, you may be "cheating" on your left hand reach forward... I do that occasionally. You have received some good advice here, from much more experienced skydivers than me, BUT, make sure you discuss ANY change you decide to make with your instructors!
May I suggest you slow down your wave off and throw? Sometimes making a conscious decision to do something just a little different can help you follow a desired course of action, instead of repeating a mistake that is becoming habit. I used this technique while roadracing motorcycles after a nasty high side accident, when a pernicious tendency to start my turns early became a problem.
If your instructors think it might help, you might try starting your wave off a little early, then going just a little slower through the proper motions of drawing the pilot chute out to full arm extension before release. Ask your instructors to describe each move they want you to make as you wave off and throw your pilot chute. When you make your next jump, try not to rush, and concentrate on on deliberately going through each step, as directed by your instructors.
In any case, no one is born knowing this stuff, you have to build "muscle memory", and learn by feel, with input from your teachers. Have fun, and smile!
Russ
Generally, it is your choice; will your life serve as an example... or a warning?
May I suggest you slow down your wave off and throw? Sometimes making a conscious decision to do something just a little different can help you follow a desired course of action, instead of repeating a mistake that is becoming habit. I used this technique while roadracing motorcycles after a nasty high side accident, when a pernicious tendency to start my turns early became a problem.
If your instructors think it might help, you might try starting your wave off a little early, then going just a little slower through the proper motions of drawing the pilot chute out to full arm extension before release. Ask your instructors to describe each move they want you to make as you wave off and throw your pilot chute. When you make your next jump, try not to rush, and concentrate on on deliberately going through each step, as directed by your instructors.
In any case, no one is born knowing this stuff, you have to build "muscle memory", and learn by feel, with input from your teachers. Have fun, and smile!
Russ
Generally, it is your choice; will your life serve as an example... or a warning?
sundevil777 102
You might have your legs (knees) too close together. Spreading your legs apart will give you more 'roll' stability than if they are close.
May not be your problem, but something to consider.
May not be your problem, but something to consider.
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I'm doing my AFF atm, doing stage 5 and 6 on Saturday.
I've found it pretty smooth going so far. The important thing is not to rush, I'm always more relaxed and accurate in the air than on the dirt dives.
At a guess I would say you are tensing up, maybe preparing for opening shock or something like that. A few other things, always look and SPOT before you reach, don't cheat, and when you reach be mindful of your right arm, your left is probably ok but when I was doing my dirt dives preparing for my first jump I found when I reached over to pull I would tuck my right arm into my body, but my instructor fixed that habit on the ground.
I'm about the exact same level you are, so let me know if I can help at all.
I've found it pretty smooth going so far. The important thing is not to rush, I'm always more relaxed and accurate in the air than on the dirt dives.
At a guess I would say you are tensing up, maybe preparing for opening shock or something like that. A few other things, always look and SPOT before you reach, don't cheat, and when you reach be mindful of your right arm, your left is probably ok but when I was doing my dirt dives preparing for my first jump I found when I reached over to pull I would tuck my right arm into my body, but my instructor fixed that habit on the ground.
I'm about the exact same level you are, so let me know if I can help at all.
Liemberg 0
Quoteno problem with practive pulls. However, for some reason, when it comes to actual pull time, I am tending to turn my hips and quirk my body sideways
Just remember that first and foremost it is a mind-game.
Happy thoughts:
"I'm in control. I remain stable and on heading. How wonderfull to be here - it is certainly a thrill...etcetera"
Unhappy thoughts:
"This is scary. Hope this opens. What if it doesn't? Am I really up to dealing with an emergency? What if I goof up? I wished I was somewhere else...etcetera"
Now asume the lotus position and sit down with Brian
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skunk 0
Maybe it would help to look at your alti whilst pulling! For me it was the key. I tended to look at the handle under my body at pull time and de-arched. So my instructor said i should take my left arm as high as i can in front of my head and look at my alti.
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I didn't really see anyone address what you are actually doing. I had the same issue on a couple early jumps. I am going to assume like most students you are on ripcord deployment not throw out?
At pull time the ripcord is probably sitting kinda high up on your hip????Your turning your hip (ripcord) to your hand instead of reaching back to it. You can see me do this very clearly on my 7th jump(I passed and graduated
Be sure when you set your ripcord that you are comfortable where it is and can reach it without having to strain. Student gear with ripcords have a quite abit of adjustment, be sure to talk to your instructor I hope that helps...
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At pull time the ripcord is probably sitting kinda high up on your hip????Your turning your hip (ripcord) to your hand instead of reaching back to it. You can see me do this very clearly on my 7th jump(I passed and graduated
Be sure when you set your ripcord that you are comfortable where it is and can reach it without having to strain. Student gear with ripcords have a quite abit of adjustment, be sure to talk to your instructor I hope that helps...
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QuoteI didn't really see anyone address what you are actually doing. I had the same issue on a couple early jumps. I am going to assume like most students you are on ripcord deployment not throw out?
I don't think these days you'll find most students using ripcords.
I recall doing a bit of a turn, maybe 15-30 degrees at pull time. If you rotate both arm clockwise real quick, there has to be an opposite reaction by the rest of the body.
Wouldn't know if other DZ's start with throw out from the start or not. Haven't seen it done that way. Ripcord is what is done here then transition to throw out. Which makes alot of sense to me. Reach,Grab Pull just as you did on your level 2 Tandem less to think about and alot less danger for the student and instructor. I can just imagine what a horseshoe would be like for for both of them on a level 4
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Horseshoes are no fun, but we've seen no shortage of stories here on their transition to a throwout where they would grab the PC and hang onto it. I don't know of any DZ in California that uses the ripcord anymore, though I haven't been to all of them yet.
Personally I like consistency wherever it is reasonable. I don't like the idea of the SOS system either. I think it's a wrong application of KISS.
Personally I like consistency wherever it is reasonable. I don't like the idea of the SOS system either. I think it's a wrong application of KISS.
QuoteQuote3) Enjoy the experience, don't take on the attitude of "I wish this part was over"
It's been a while since you've jumped student gear eh?
What is the difference between pulling student gear and any other gear, if they both have BOC and hand deploy PC's?
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1) Take a breath when you realize pull-time is approaching, relax.
2) Reach for the handle slowly enough, and stay acutely aware of your heading.
3) Enjoy the experience, don't take on the attitude of "I wish this part was over"
When we feel pressure, we tend to perform badly. Try to savor the experience of pulling, and strive to become more aware of your body as you do it.
Pulling can be fun!
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