exwhuffo 0 #26 October 8, 2004 had 2, one was from a packer making a 10min call during training camp, the bridle knoted the pc . i reached around and pulled the pin and dbag out. had some line twists but it was suprisingly easy. small container aswell. #2 i had tightened the closing loop too much and did a hop and pop. i elbowed the side of the container very hard and the pin popped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #27 October 9, 2004 >>> Next week, I ordered my first pull out. So there's my story. Please tell yours. They have this very clean, slightly older Mirage G3, which belongs to a Tandem Instructor. It dosen't get jumped by him very often. It has a main pull out deployment system. A packing mistake can cause the birdle connecting the handle to the pin to get pinched under the flaps. It is imposibale in not hard to pull. There has been alot of terminal reserve deployments on that gear, by jumper who borrowed it, packed it up to jump again, or worse.. it waites till the next guy borrowes it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #28 October 9, 2004 Oh yeah, I've had one floating handle total and one hard pull total, courtesy of a packer. However . . . when you pull the reserve you know it's a 100%, nothing to entangle, don't need to pull the cutaway, the main ain't gonna sneak out, Total Malfunction. Terminal reserve openings aren't a big deal after you've experienced a 24' chest mount reserve at terminal. Any old timer will back me up, right, guys? Once again, thanks to everyone for your input. I'm trying get as much info as I can on pilot chutes in tow, in the hopes of helping people prevent them. Keep those stories coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites metalslug 36 #29 October 13, 2004 QuoteI consider this to be a non-event caused by a combination of the low speed deployment and a tight pack job. It doesn’t appear to matter if I pitch in the prop wash or 5 seconds after exit. 10 second after exit and it opens right up but when we do our hop+pops at 3k a 10 second delay is not always particularly desirable. Same thing has happened to me once. First jump on my brand new rig (Vortex II). New, tight packjob and subterminal deployment. 5 second delay became a 12 second delay. QuoteOn the odd occasion that this hasn’t worked I have reached around the back and manually pulled the pin by grabbing the bridal and yanking. Is there anything bad that can happen when attempting this ? If altitude permits, is it always a better option to attempt this first before performing conventional emergency procedures ? I understand that pulling the cutaway will release the main safely if and when it eventualy deploys after the reserve, but... If the PC cant pull the pin, then pulling the cutaway is not going to get rid of the PC in tow. There is still a risk of a reserve PC and main PC entanglement, correct ? How significant is this risk ? Should we always try to grab the bridle and pull our own pins if we have time to spare ? -No 'mericans were harmed during the making of this post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #30 October 13, 2004 QuoteIs there anything bad that can happen when attempting this ? Be aware of the risk that the bridle can potentially get caught round your arm or similarly entangled. *ALTITUDE AWARENESS* QuoteThere is still a risk of a reserve PC and main PC entanglement, correct ? How significant is this risk ? Yes there is a risk. The greater risk is of damage to the reserve as it passess the PC and bridle. For an example check the incidents thread for the SA jumper who "survived a double mal" and landed in power lines a month or so ago. Few risks in this sport are "insignificant". If you're at terminal, low and have a PC in tow there's little remedial action you can take. You pretty much have to go for your reserve and hope it opens cleanly. The answer is to not get into the situation in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #31 October 13, 2004 I had a series of hesitations, and one that only partially pulled lines off the bands (baglock) due to the changing of length of the kill line. The window still showed that it was cocked when it wasn't. I solved it by replacing the PC and haven't had the issue since. With the baglock, I knew I had pulled high and when I looked up and saw the bag dancing above me, I yanked on the risers a few times and the last stows came undone. That was the last jump I made on that PC. Now when I pack, I use the method Bill Booth showed us on how to check if it is cocked just by looking at it, and I will do a test throw to see if it inflates instead of looking at the window._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #32 October 13, 2004 QuoteThe greater risk is of damage to the reserve as it passess the PC and bridle. Unless your main bridle is extremely long, the reserve canopy is still in the bag as it goes by the main PC and bridle. What happens is the lines of the reserve are damaged and blow on deployment of the reserve. Depending on what lines let go, this can cause damage to the canopy, sometimes major damage. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #33 October 14, 2004 [stir the pot]I love my pullouts.[/stir the pot]---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites loumeinhart 0 #34 October 14, 2004 I routed the bridle through the bottom of the right flap. On the ground we couldn't pull hard enough to dislodge the pin. That was my 5th packjob and I won't do that again. Oh yea, the creek landing was embarrassing to say the least. Many people there that day. I guess my first high-speed mal put me behind the power curve and I landed west at this DZ only once before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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metalslug 36 #29 October 13, 2004 QuoteI consider this to be a non-event caused by a combination of the low speed deployment and a tight pack job. It doesn’t appear to matter if I pitch in the prop wash or 5 seconds after exit. 10 second after exit and it opens right up but when we do our hop+pops at 3k a 10 second delay is not always particularly desirable. Same thing has happened to me once. First jump on my brand new rig (Vortex II). New, tight packjob and subterminal deployment. 5 second delay became a 12 second delay. QuoteOn the odd occasion that this hasn’t worked I have reached around the back and manually pulled the pin by grabbing the bridal and yanking. Is there anything bad that can happen when attempting this ? If altitude permits, is it always a better option to attempt this first before performing conventional emergency procedures ? I understand that pulling the cutaway will release the main safely if and when it eventualy deploys after the reserve, but... If the PC cant pull the pin, then pulling the cutaway is not going to get rid of the PC in tow. There is still a risk of a reserve PC and main PC entanglement, correct ? How significant is this risk ? Should we always try to grab the bridle and pull our own pins if we have time to spare ? -No 'mericans were harmed during the making of this post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #30 October 13, 2004 QuoteIs there anything bad that can happen when attempting this ? Be aware of the risk that the bridle can potentially get caught round your arm or similarly entangled. *ALTITUDE AWARENESS* QuoteThere is still a risk of a reserve PC and main PC entanglement, correct ? How significant is this risk ? Yes there is a risk. The greater risk is of damage to the reserve as it passess the PC and bridle. For an example check the incidents thread for the SA jumper who "survived a double mal" and landed in power lines a month or so ago. Few risks in this sport are "insignificant". If you're at terminal, low and have a PC in tow there's little remedial action you can take. You pretty much have to go for your reserve and hope it opens cleanly. The answer is to not get into the situation in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #31 October 13, 2004 I had a series of hesitations, and one that only partially pulled lines off the bands (baglock) due to the changing of length of the kill line. The window still showed that it was cocked when it wasn't. I solved it by replacing the PC and haven't had the issue since. With the baglock, I knew I had pulled high and when I looked up and saw the bag dancing above me, I yanked on the risers a few times and the last stows came undone. That was the last jump I made on that PC. Now when I pack, I use the method Bill Booth showed us on how to check if it is cocked just by looking at it, and I will do a test throw to see if it inflates instead of looking at the window._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #32 October 13, 2004 QuoteThe greater risk is of damage to the reserve as it passess the PC and bridle. Unless your main bridle is extremely long, the reserve canopy is still in the bag as it goes by the main PC and bridle. What happens is the lines of the reserve are damaged and blow on deployment of the reserve. Depending on what lines let go, this can cause damage to the canopy, sometimes major damage. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #33 October 14, 2004 [stir the pot]I love my pullouts.[/stir the pot]---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #34 October 14, 2004 I routed the bridle through the bottom of the right flap. On the ground we couldn't pull hard enough to dislodge the pin. That was my 5th packjob and I won't do that again. Oh yea, the creek landing was embarrassing to say the least. Many people there that day. I guess my first high-speed mal put me behind the power curve and I landed west at this DZ only once before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
