77r 0 #1 March 31, 2007 Does anyone know which canopies take the longest to open and which ones open in a shorter amount of distance/ft? Not talking sequential opening based on how you pack it, which I'm sure plays a part, but overall. I've heard of sabres for example taking 1000ft to open, which seems like a long time.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbanning 0 #2 March 31, 2007 It is not a question that can be answered, obviously, you re not packing your own canopy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
77r 0 #3 March 31, 2007 QuoteIt is not a question that can be answered, obviously, you re not packing your own canopy! Maybe it can't be answered by you. With 28 jumps I don't imagine you're any more canopy savvy than I am. I actually do pack my own canopy just fine. I'm looking to buy a sabre main and when I looked to see what people were saying about it some people said it takes a while to open, which got me wondering about canopies in general and if it's something to be concearned about. Simply a consumer trying to educate herself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schuey87 0 #4 March 31, 2007 The way you pack your canopy makes a big difference to how it opens. I pro pack my Sabre, no special rolls or anything and it takes about 500ft. I always thought Sabres had a reputation for opening quickly anyway? Pilots are supposed to be nice and soft I've heard. Packing can make a fair difference though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drudchen 0 #5 April 1, 2007 QuoteI've heard of sabres for example taking 1000ft to open, which seems like a long time.... Hmm.. my Sabre likes to open in 250-300 ft... a Sabre2 on the other hand is closer to the approximate number you provided (more or less) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTflyer 0 #6 April 1, 2007 I jumped a rented sabre 2 the other day and it sniveled for a long time compared to other canopies i've jumped. But then again I didn't pack it either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 April 1, 2007 I've never heard of a Sabre routinely taking 1000ft to open. Generally speaking when you're talking about slow opening canopies, the gold standard is the Spectre. 800ft isn't uncommon. It's a little unnerving the first few times a person jumps one, but after a person is used to it, it's very predictable.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbanning 0 #8 April 1, 2007 What I meant was it all depends on how it is packed, and the characteristics of the canopy. My Diable has takan 1200' to open and has opened as quickly as 600', it depends on what you do with the slider, nose when packing. Yes @ 28 jumps with 17 packing I do have an idea on how MY canopy opens! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #9 April 1, 2007 QuoteI actually do pack my own canopy just fine. I'm looking to buy a sabre main and when I looked to see what people were saying about it some people said it takes a while to open, A Sabre1 or a Sabre2? I have never, ever heard of people complaining that their Sabre1 took too long to open. If my Sabre1 suddenly took 1000ft open I'd probably be thinking very hard about chopping it! The Sabre2 opens softer, but it still isn't in the really long opening bracket of Spectre/ Safire2/ Pilots IMO.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trivial_Trekker 0 #10 April 1, 2007 I did a lot of canopy packing over the summer, and I find it hard to believe that rolling the nose can really slow the opening down a considerable amount. I take my time packing and try to pack the same every time, but for the most part the openings would vary. Hard opening, soft, snivel , 90 degree turn etc. It just seems openings are very chaotic, with a lot of changing variables. A big one being body position. One thing I've heard is to make sure the slider is all the way to the stops or else you can give someone a pretty fast opening. Also unstowed breaks will produce a pretty hard opening, learned that the hard way. Well most of the packing I did were student rigs, plus the odd stiletto and hornet. I'm sure high loaded HP canopy behave differently during opening so maybe rolling the nose is key. []DETE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #11 April 1, 2007 essentially any canopy can be made to open in essentially any distance (during terminal freefall) from 100 feet to never. Slider design, brake settings, and packing technique... -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbanning 0 #12 April 1, 2007 Thank you thats all I was trying to point out!!!! For the record, I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL.....Smeone on here sent me a pm attacking me saying I think I know it all and I'm gonna die.....lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
77r 0 #13 April 1, 2007 QuoteYes @ 28 jumps with 17 packing I do have an idea on how MY canopy opens! No one is questioning if you know how to pack your own gear. That wasn't even mentioned. You simply said the question "couldn't be answered" and "OBVIOUSLY you're not packing your own gear!," which dosn't answer the question. I was saying that someone with more than 28 fun jumps would probably have a better answer than that. So far I've had some great answers. Thx everyone ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #14 April 1, 2007 You sure got a sporty wingloading for 28 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VTcnix 0 #15 April 1, 2007 Whoever told you Sabres open slowly was misleading you... My Sabre seems to defy physics by seemly opening the instant I let go of my pilot chute.... You may be thinking of a Sabre 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites everymansaved 0 #16 April 1, 2007 I'll second that, 1.16:1 on an eliptical canopy like the diablo is a little hot for <30 jumps.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jbanning 0 #17 April 1, 2007 I wasn't trying to attack you, sorry if it came off that way. I might only have 28 jumps, but I have packed close to 100 times....Good luck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #18 April 2, 2007 QuoteI wasn't trying to attack you, sorry if it came off that way. I might only have 28 jumps, but I have packed close to 100 times....Good luck Did you observe the other ~72 openings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #19 April 2, 2007 Fastest opening canopies I have jumped: Nova Unmodified Sabre Slowest opening canopies I have jumped: Same Sabre with a pocket slider Set-400 tandem canopies Spectres Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites towerrat 0 #20 April 2, 2007 some funny stuff going on this thread......... I see you cannot receive pm's. I would like to have a conversation with you personally . send me a PM. Blue skiesPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Martini 0 #21 April 2, 2007 Fastest: My Sabre-1. If you don't pack carefully it's pretty much an instant canopy. Slowest: My Xaos-21. If you want you can pack an easy 1500' snivel.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GreatGigInThSky 0 #22 April 3, 2007 Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I've been jumping Sabre 2s consistently, and just went to another drop zone and jumped a Spectre (6 times) and absolutely noticed the difference. All be it that different packers is another changing variable, the Sabre 2s I have jumped do snivel for a while before opening. The Spectres opened much faster, and nice and soft, but I like the way the Sabre 2 handles and lands better.Failure is not falling down, but refusing to get up. - A Chinese Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyshimas 0 #23 April 3, 2007 I see you learn quick! hundred pack jobs isn't that much. My sabre1 170 I would say is a slamer but last weekend i tried to be more careful with how I pack,bag, push the nore all the way, and my body position and i had 6 great openings out of 7 not bad! But my sabre certainly is a fast opening canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ugali 0 #24 April 3, 2007 my spectre takes on average 1000 ft to open. a bit scary at first but i've become used to it. Tom, Tom Tom, Tommy, Tom Love Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Programmer 0 #25 April 3, 2007 My Spectre with dacron lines takes about 1000 feet to open. ( I think the dacron lines slow the slider down a bit compared to micro-line, but I haven't tested that in any detail ). The fastest opening canopy I've jumped is a Falcon, which opens in about 500 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
VTcnix 0 #15 April 1, 2007 Whoever told you Sabres open slowly was misleading you... My Sabre seems to defy physics by seemly opening the instant I let go of my pilot chute.... You may be thinking of a Sabre 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #16 April 1, 2007 I'll second that, 1.16:1 on an eliptical canopy like the diablo is a little hot for <30 jumps.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbanning 0 #17 April 1, 2007 I wasn't trying to attack you, sorry if it came off that way. I might only have 28 jumps, but I have packed close to 100 times....Good luck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 April 2, 2007 QuoteI wasn't trying to attack you, sorry if it came off that way. I might only have 28 jumps, but I have packed close to 100 times....Good luck Did you observe the other ~72 openings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #19 April 2, 2007 Fastest opening canopies I have jumped: Nova Unmodified Sabre Slowest opening canopies I have jumped: Same Sabre with a pocket slider Set-400 tandem canopies Spectres Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #20 April 2, 2007 some funny stuff going on this thread......... I see you cannot receive pm's. I would like to have a conversation with you personally . send me a PM. Blue skiesPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #21 April 2, 2007 Fastest: My Sabre-1. If you don't pack carefully it's pretty much an instant canopy. Slowest: My Xaos-21. If you want you can pack an easy 1500' snivel.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatGigInThSky 0 #22 April 3, 2007 Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I've been jumping Sabre 2s consistently, and just went to another drop zone and jumped a Spectre (6 times) and absolutely noticed the difference. All be it that different packers is another changing variable, the Sabre 2s I have jumped do snivel for a while before opening. The Spectres opened much faster, and nice and soft, but I like the way the Sabre 2 handles and lands better.Failure is not falling down, but refusing to get up. - A Chinese Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyshimas 0 #23 April 3, 2007 I see you learn quick! hundred pack jobs isn't that much. My sabre1 170 I would say is a slamer but last weekend i tried to be more careful with how I pack,bag, push the nore all the way, and my body position and i had 6 great openings out of 7 not bad! But my sabre certainly is a fast opening canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ugali 0 #24 April 3, 2007 my spectre takes on average 1000 ft to open. a bit scary at first but i've become used to it. Tom, Tom Tom, Tommy, Tom Love Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Programmer 0 #25 April 3, 2007 My Spectre with dacron lines takes about 1000 feet to open. ( I think the dacron lines slow the slider down a bit compared to micro-line, but I haven't tested that in any detail ). The fastest opening canopy I've jumped is a Falcon, which opens in about 500 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
