do you flat pack or pro pack and why ??

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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What reserves, other than rounds, don't you pro-pack???

Its been awhile, so I'd have to go look it up to be sure, but the last time I packed a Strong Tandem Reserve the instructions called for a side (or stack pack... not quite a roll pack) and NOT to Pro-Pack it, as I recall.

[2shay 0]

what is the point in flat packing? the pro is faster for 95% of us at least, takes a lot less room and just as safe. Guess I just don't see the point in it other than special situations in which it is needed.

don't try your bullshit with me!!!

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What reserves, other than rounds, don't you pro-pack???

Its been awhile, so I'd have to go look it up to be sure, but the last time I packed a Strong Tandem Reserve the instructions called for a side (or stack pack... not quite a roll pack) and NOT to Pro-Pack it, as I recall.

Strong, Para-flite and Pisa manuals say to flat pack. Some manufacturers recommend pro, some flat, and some say you can do it either way. I honestly believe how you fold it and place it into the bag is up to the discretion of the rigger. The technique used (or method) is not significant. Once it comes out of the bag the opening should be the same.

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what is the point in flat packing? the pro is faster for 95% of us at least, takes a lot less room and just as safe. Guess I just don't see the point in it other than special situations in which it is needed.

I will go out on a limb here but I would guess from your statements you don't really understand flat packing. If a table is available I would rather flat pack than get down on my knees any freaking day! Unfortunately tables take up a lot of space and very few drop zones have them anymore.

I can flat pack on the carpet (or grass) faster than I can propack. It might be slower for you because you don't know how to do it and you don't have the experience. Both methods have advantages and both have drawbacks. Line overs were unheard of before pro packing, flat packing takes up more space, etc.

Don't knock something just because you don't understand it.

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... Line overs were unheard of before pro packing, flat packing takes up more space, etc.

Line overs can also happen when a brake releases during opening

Gonzalo

It cannot be done really means I do not know how to do it ... yet

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[aguila 0]

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Line overs can also happen when a brake releases during opening

[sundevil777 102]

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... Line overs were unheard of before pro packing, flat packing takes up more space, etc.

Line overs can also happen when a brake releases during opening

I agree with the peckerhead dude!

It was in the advertisements for some early paraflite square reserves. I don't know if it was the safety flyer or safety star, but they compared it to round reserves, and that squares don't suffer this malfunction mode. Of course that was when squares really did have a square shape. Seriously, though, I agree that the line over malfunction didn't seem to exist on the radar until pro-packing, but maybe it is more attributable to higher aspect ratio canopies or some other factor.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Line overs "can" occur when a brake lock releases during the opening sequence allowing one side of the canopy to surge forward over itself, "or due to a packing error" or an "Act of God" " The Skydiver's Handbook, Dan Poynter, Mike Turoff, page 138

When that was written line overs on ram air canopies were extremely rare. So rare an Act of God was considered a reasonable explanation.

Brake fires are caused by improperly stowing the brakes or only stowing one side. The only other possibility is a toggle being snagged on the container during deployment.


What does this have to do with flat vs pro?

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Brake fires are caused by improperly stowing the brakes or only stowing one side. The only other possibility is a toggle being snagged on the container during deployment.

It can also happen when the flaps protecting the risers are not well secured, for instance when the Velcros are worn, and a break line blows in the wind during free fall

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What does this have to do with flat vs pro?

You said: "Line overs were unheard of before pro packing"

edited to add: Our instructors taught us to deal with line-overs when jumping static line, when we did not pro-pack yet

Gonzalo

It cannot be done really means I do not know how to do it ... yet

[aguila 0]

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didn't seem to exist on the radar until pro-packing, but maybe it is more attributable to higher aspect ratio canopies or some other factor.

I agree line-overs are more likely to happen when pro-packing but they can also occur when flat-packing.

Gonzalo

It cannot be done really means I do not know how to do it ... yet

[2shay 0]

i do understand, however it does take more space and may be quciker for you but i will go out on a limb and say not for most people. I can pack in 6 min consistently and other friends that can pack in 3. I think this does help students know how the canopy is, and all comes together. I also know that the pro pack is proven safe and surely safe if you do your lines and have your brake lines down the center for sure. So yeah the flat it is good for a bit, but then I think experienced jumpers need to "get with the program." and pro pack. Not that the flat pack is bad because it is certainly great, but think of all the jumpers flat packing? all the space? I think the sport has evolved and rightfully so.

don't try your bullshit with me!!!

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I would love to see someone do a neat flat pack in the same amount of time or faster than a neat pro pack on a small sport canopy. I'm not saying they can't do it, I've just never seen it. I've tried flat packing my canopy a lot but just can't seem to get good at it. The only thing I feel like I can do a better neat flat pack on are large square F-111's.

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You ask, "What is the point of "flat" packing?

Your comments in a post later in this thread...

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...but then I think experienced jumpers need to "get with the program." and pro pack. ... I think the sport has evolved and rightfully so.

...lead me to think that you are one of those people who believe that anything "older" should be abandoned in favor of anything "newer". If that is the case, I cannot comment further or answer your question.

If you are _not_ one of those people, then the advantages and disadvantages of the various packing methods that have been described in the thread are where the answer is.

[riggerrob 643]

Psycho/Precision pack is just a minor variation on a PRO pack.

[2shay 0]

they both have their pros and cons, but wasn't one of the reasons other than manufacturer recommending it, that it is easier, quicker, and takes less space.

No, I do not think we should abandon older styles, but there is usually good reasoning in a new one being put in place.

don't try your bullshit with me!!!

[phoenixlpr 0]

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No, I do not think we should abandon older styles, but there is usually good reasoning in a new one being put in place.

If you do not practice or teach that is abandoning.

[2shay 0]

okay, well you guys go ahead and flat pack all you want then. All the manufacturers who recommend pro pack must be incompetent.

don't try your bullshit with me!!!

[phoenixlpr 0]

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okay, well you guys go ahead and flat pack all you want then. All the manufacturers who recommend pro pack must be incompetent.

Sure, if you only have a hammer in your toolbox everything start slook like a nail.

Recommending pro-pack does not mean that they do not recommend flat pack.

You may find canopies easier to flat pack, because of the size.

[2shay 0]

that is why in my earlier thread I had said that i do understand in special situations, this would be one of them.

don't try your bullshit with me!!!