Experienced pilots

[Macaw 0]

Who would you consider to be an experienced (advanced) pilot?

What do you think is the difference between
intermediate and advance pilot - # of jumps, canopy flying skills (what are they?), canopy size? In other words where is the border line between the two?

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[peckerhead 0]

Pilots fly airplanes. Streering a parachute does not make you a pilot.

[Macaw 0]

ok, sorry for my English, let's call them canopy pilots or parachutists (which in my opinion doesn't really describe flying under a canopy).

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[phoenixlpr 0]

How about sustained injuries?

[quade 4]

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Who would you consider to be an experienced (advanced) pilot?

I think it depends on your definition of the terms.

For my purposes, I'll go with the requirements of the PRO Rating and I'd use that as a bare minimum.

"Wait!", somebody yelled, "What about swoopers?"

I don't actually give a crap. If you aren't landing the canopy on you feet and under control, then, in my mind, you aren't on your feet and under control.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I am a pro swooper WITH a PRO rating (under a "real" demo canopy, my tandem main, and my old Cobalt 75). To me, an experienced canopy pilot is someone who can direct his or her parachute safely through traffic and onto a target of their choosing, regardless of other outside influences: high or changing winds, traffic, obstacles.

Pro swoopers MUST be able to succesfully navigate courses and stop where they want (zone and target accuracy) in order to even qualify to compete, so you cannot discount that style of piloting. Still, the best all around pilots are those who can seamlessly swap between their tandem rig, their swoop rig, and a "real" demo canopy. Some people do one thing well, but suck terribly under other canopies.

Chuck

[quade 4]

Chuck, you're an exceptional pilot with exceptional skill.

I was talking about the yahoos with 300 jumps, a pocket rocket canopy and a 200 foot swoop that ends with a tumble. To me, those guys are just idiots. I apologise for putting the word "pro" in front of swooper when I wrote that sentance. My bad. I have redacted that. Sorry, just had the two connected in my head after this weekend's events in Perris.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Pilots fly airplanes. Streering a parachute does not make you a pilot.

Cessna 172s are easier to land than high performance parachutes, slower over the numbers at the end of the runway, and let you go arround if things aren't going well.

[quade 4]

I think it's because rarely do C-172s do or have to watch out for others perfoming a split-S to land.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Taikoen 0]

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Pilots fly airplanes. Streering a parachute does not make you a pilot.

Since I can change the, uhh...flight path? of my canopy, I'd say that I'm flying it. Since I'm flying my canopy (wing), I'd say that I'm the pilot of my canopy. A pilot controls the wing, while a passenger is controlled by the wing, right? I'd like to think I have a measure of control over my canopy.

[AFFI 0]

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Pilots fly airplanes. Streering a parachute does not make you a pilot.

Disagree.

OP: no need to feel your english is bad, you are using the correct terminology...

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[waltappel 1]

Probably the best canopy pilot I've ever seen is a CRW dog.

Walt

[bob.dino 1]

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...just had the two connected in my head after this weekend's events in Perris.

What happened in Perris? I can't see anything in Incidents or in Safety & Training.

[quade 4]

Pro Swoop event . . . Pro Swoop event . . . Pro Swoop event . . .

Hear it enough times and the two words just f'in' stick in your head making it difficult to separate them from each other.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[bob.dino 1]

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Pro Swoop event . . . Pro Swoop event . . . Pro Swoop event . . .

Hear it enough times and the two words just f'in' stick in your head making it difficult to separate them from each other.

Ah, getcha.

[VectorBoy 0]

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I think it's because rarely do C-172s do or have to watch out for others perfoming a split-S to land.

When was the last time you flew into Corona? In a lot of uncontrolled airports with high foreign student density who think a misspronounced and incorrect pattern anouncement equates to permission from a non existant controller, you got to look out for more than a high speed split- S!

Sometimes an equal speed merge from someone who isn't even looking for other traffic is very much more dangerous.

[quade 4]

It's called an uncontrolled airport for a reason.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[VectorBoy 0]

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It's called an uncontrolled airport for a reason.

I have flown at uncontrolled all over this nation. Its the incorrect and misspronounced that is hard to deal with.

[quade 4]

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It's called an uncontrolled airport for a reason.

I have flown at uncontrolled all over this nation. Its the incorrect and misspronounced that is hard to deal with.

I think you maybe missed the point I was trying to make; ain't nobody required to talk to nobody.

See and be seen.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[firstime 0]

just my opinion:

the jumpers who can pretty much give you a description
of who opened when,where and how and when they entered the landing pattern. There are a few jumpers @
my DZ that have that perception, who also take note of
the predicitibilty of regular jumpers. Most jumpers...errr
maybe half have their "head on a swivel" , this in my view
is a good pilot. Feel free to beat me up but I am comfortable with this concept.

[dharma1976 0]

Well what about the ones of us that lets see land accurately and on our feet do you still not give a crap abotu us...way to go moderator....

Dave

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Who would you consider to be an experienced (advanced) pilot?

I think it depends on your definition of the terms.

For my purposes, I'll go with the requirements of the PRO Rating and I'd use that as a bare minimum.

"Wait!", somebody yelled, "What about swoopers?"

I don't actually give a crap. If you aren't landing the canopy on you feet and under control, then, in my mind, you aren't on your feet and under control.

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[VectorBoy 0]

the point I was trying to make; ain't nobody required to talk to nobody.

See and be seen.

[dharma1976 0]

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Chuck, you're an exceptional pilot with exceptional skill.

I was talking about the yahoos with 300 jumps, a pocket rocket canopy and a 200 foot swoop that ends with a tumble. To me, those guys are just idiots. I apologise for putting the word "pro" in front of swooper when I wrote that sentance. My bad. I have redacted that. Sorry, just had the two connected in my head after this weekend's events in Perris.

hmmmmmm do you think that the pro swoopers never tumbled ever?

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[reinhart36 0]

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I think it's because rarely do C-172s do or have to watch out for others perfoming a split-S to land.

True, but at "my" airport, I do have to watch out for the other guys I work with performing aerobatics over the runway... Not being a smart-ass, it's just funny you should have said that, given I was dodging these guys the other day...

[VectorBoy 0]

True, but at "my" airport, I do have to watch out for the other guys I work with performing aerobatics over the runway...