justinhawxhurst 0 #26 December 18, 2006 Czechloslovakia?? dose this country still exist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #27 December 18, 2006 Theres one AN-2 here in Helsinki. Also there is a very nice DC-3 we get to jump now and then. Actually the AN-2 is operating also in the winter.. Neither is owned by the DZ. (DZ owns an Otter) DC-3 AN-2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #28 December 18, 2006 I am out in Helsinki on and off. How often do you jump the DC-3? Is your DZ open all winter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #29 December 18, 2006 sweet planes you have there (even if it just occasionnal)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #30 December 18, 2006 QuoteI am out in Helsinki on and off. How often do you jump the DC-3? Is your DZ open all winter? DZ in helsinki is not really open in the winter. But some of organize loads from AN-2 and cessna in the weekends now and then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #31 December 18, 2006 PM sent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stasiek 0 #32 December 18, 2006 In Poland we still have lot of places where you can meet AN-2 for skydiving, for example Torun where jumps will be in 30 DEC this year ! Rest of aeroclubs in Poland also using AN-2 but unfortunelly not in winter time. Polish pilot Waldemar Miszkurka did fly aroud the world using AN-2 have look on www.4-air.com if anybody need any extra info about AN-2 jumps feel free to contact me It is possible to rent AN-2 in amazing place in Poland in sommer time http://www.skydive.waw.pl/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=random&cat=&pos=-57 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #33 December 18, 2006 There is an AN 2 in the bushes at Sebastian airport in FL. It does not look very flyable. Then again the last Cessna I jumped out of did not look very flyable eitherjraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #34 December 18, 2006 QuoteCzechloslovakia?? dose this country still exist Nah, republic of Slovakia and the Czech Republic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swish 0 #35 December 18, 2006 i have most of my jumps from an-2. sweet machine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #36 December 18, 2006 Exactely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #37 December 18, 2006 Nice colors. We have two at our DZ the other is camo I will try to find a good picture of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dukekala 0 #38 December 18, 2006 There are quite a few An-2 still flying in Estonia, all of them have or are being used for jumping. Here are a few pictures of it at the Nurmsi airfield (www.slk.ee) and also a few of our pickup car :) Update: apparently I cannot upload any images, so here are the URL-s instead: http://www.slk.ee/16528.html http://www.slk.ee/16544.html http://www.slk.ee/16560.html http://www.slk.ee/16552.html http://www.slk.ee/16555.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #39 December 18, 2006 QuoteIt's an AN-2. Karen, don't we have one of these sitting at our airport/dropzone right now? -=-=- I was told the reason these aren't certified so much in the U.S. is because they (like a number of Eastern European aircraft) were not manufactured with enough version-change- and quality-control for a type certification to safely apply to all aircraft of that type, so each one would have to be certified separately. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #40 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's an AN-2. Karen, don't we have one of these sitting at our airport/dropzone right now? -=-=- I was told the reason these aren't certified so much in the U.S. is because they (like a number of Eastern European aircraft) were not manufactured with enough version-change- and quality-control for a type certification to safely apply to all aircraft of that type, so each one would have to be certified separately. well that and USA doesn't like approving russian planes . joined the 'club' and did a WS jump out of an AN-2 at WFFC06 @5k. twas an interesting experience. and yeah sloooow. I could have probable outflew the thing. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 December 18, 2006 QuoteCzechloslovakia?? dose this country still exist And this has fuck-all to do with whether or not the DZ has the plane, now doesn't it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #42 December 18, 2006 Dude, that is some serious DZ car you have there. As much as the AN2 is a true exotic and one of these days I want to log a jump out of one, I think that Id preffer to take my chances with a C-182. After all a 182 will take you to 13,500 feet (Gawdawfull long ride it is) while the AN2 will not.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dukekala 0 #43 December 18, 2006 QuoteDude, that is some serious DZ car you have there. Yeah, isn't it :) The car (old Ford Escort) got hit by an elk in it's previous life, no longer street worthy, but perfect for a DZ car QuoteAs much as the AN2 is a true exotic and one of these days I want to log a jump out of one, I think that Id preffer to take my chances with a C-182. After all a 182 will take you to 13,500 feet (Gawdawfull long ride it is) while the AN2 will not. Indeed, there are better planes for those nice and long freefall jumps, but An-2 is a really nice plane as well, it takes approx 12-13 jumpers and since it's so big you can simply walk to the door and step/jump out, instead of crawling to the door like on many other small planes. And btw, while this one doesn't usually go higher than 8000 feet, one other An-2 was actually flown to 4km with jumpers. This was a few years ago in the winter (cold air!). Took them approx 1 hour, but the made it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lekstrom10k 0 #44 December 18, 2006 There was one at Rantual for jumping .It was the most produced airplane ever in the world. with a C-172 in second. There is one set up for jumping at Ray Community Airport on the north side of Detroit Mi. I think there are problems with the owner that is preventing him from flying jumpers though. At lesat he would fly them rather than the "how dare you even ask attitude". My plane list is over 100. so I try to add when ever I can Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niu 0 #45 December 18, 2006 Quote After all a 182 will take you to 13,500 feet (Gawdawfull long ride it is) while the AN2 will not. Bring a good book and be patient,with 10 on board the An-2 might not get you the full 13.5 but 12 or so is within reach in about 45 minutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RMURRAY 1 #46 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuote After all a 182 will take you to 13,500 feet (Gawdawfull long ride it is) while the AN2 will not. Bring a good book and be patient,with 10 on board the An-2 might not get you the full 13.5 but 12 or so is within reach in about 45 minutes. The AN-3 was basically a re-engined AN-2. It used a Glushenkov TVD-20 turbine (1450 shp) instead of the Shvetsov Ash-621R nine cylinder radial (1000 shp). According to my little textbook, it did not get into full production. Too bad! with that much power, I wonder how much runway it would need to get off the ground, 200ft? rm edit - here is a pic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites niu 0 #47 December 18, 2006 The An-3 should be a great climber,but turbines are whiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Eule 0 #48 December 19, 2006 QuoteI was told the reason these aren't certified so much in the U.S. is because they (like a number of Eastern European aircraft) were not manufactured with enough version-change- and quality-control for a type certification to safely apply to all aircraft of that type, so each one would have to be certified separately. I think the change control and quality control _at the time of manufacture_ was probably just fine. OK, they were built by an Evil Empire[tm] of Godless Communists[R] but they probably didn't like the idea of dying in a plane crash any more than Red-Blooded Americans[tm] did. This leads to a certain level of careful attention during design and manufacture. Now, I would agree that with a 50-year-old aircraft, all kinds of "interesting" repairs and modifications could have been made over its lifetime, and these might not be documented as well as one would like. A really careful inspection (visual, NDT, etc) would probably find most of these, but the cost of such an inspection might be prohibitive. The link I posted earlier has a different conspiracy theory - that a US manufacturer felt that imported AN-2s would hurt the sales of one of its aircraft, so that manufacturer leaned on the FAA to be in no hurry to certify AN-2s. [tinfoil]I think what's really going on is that at about the same time the UFO crashed at Roswell, another UFO crashed near St. Peters^W^WLeningrad. The Russians took the alien technology from that crash and applied it to the AN-2, and the US government doesn't want us to find out about it.[/tinfoil] EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #49 December 19, 2006 I like your tinfoil theory scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinhawxhurst 0 #50 December 19, 2006 Was just messin with ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
RMURRAY 1 #46 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuote After all a 182 will take you to 13,500 feet (Gawdawfull long ride it is) while the AN2 will not. Bring a good book and be patient,with 10 on board the An-2 might not get you the full 13.5 but 12 or so is within reach in about 45 minutes. The AN-3 was basically a re-engined AN-2. It used a Glushenkov TVD-20 turbine (1450 shp) instead of the Shvetsov Ash-621R nine cylinder radial (1000 shp). According to my little textbook, it did not get into full production. Too bad! with that much power, I wonder how much runway it would need to get off the ground, 200ft? rm edit - here is a pic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niu 0 #47 December 18, 2006 The An-3 should be a great climber,but turbines are whiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Eule 0 #48 December 19, 2006 QuoteI was told the reason these aren't certified so much in the U.S. is because they (like a number of Eastern European aircraft) were not manufactured with enough version-change- and quality-control for a type certification to safely apply to all aircraft of that type, so each one would have to be certified separately. I think the change control and quality control _at the time of manufacture_ was probably just fine. OK, they were built by an Evil Empire[tm] of Godless Communists[R] but they probably didn't like the idea of dying in a plane crash any more than Red-Blooded Americans[tm] did. This leads to a certain level of careful attention during design and manufacture. Now, I would agree that with a 50-year-old aircraft, all kinds of "interesting" repairs and modifications could have been made over its lifetime, and these might not be documented as well as one would like. A really careful inspection (visual, NDT, etc) would probably find most of these, but the cost of such an inspection might be prohibitive. The link I posted earlier has a different conspiracy theory - that a US manufacturer felt that imported AN-2s would hurt the sales of one of its aircraft, so that manufacturer leaned on the FAA to be in no hurry to certify AN-2s. [tinfoil]I think what's really going on is that at about the same time the UFO crashed at Roswell, another UFO crashed near St. Peters^W^WLeningrad. The Russians took the alien technology from that crash and applied it to the AN-2, and the US government doesn't want us to find out about it.[/tinfoil] EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #49 December 19, 2006 I like your tinfoil theory scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinhawxhurst 0 #50 December 19, 2006 Was just messin with ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Eule 0 #48 December 19, 2006 QuoteI was told the reason these aren't certified so much in the U.S. is because they (like a number of Eastern European aircraft) were not manufactured with enough version-change- and quality-control for a type certification to safely apply to all aircraft of that type, so each one would have to be certified separately. I think the change control and quality control _at the time of manufacture_ was probably just fine. OK, they were built by an Evil Empire[tm] of Godless Communists[R] but they probably didn't like the idea of dying in a plane crash any more than Red-Blooded Americans[tm] did. This leads to a certain level of careful attention during design and manufacture. Now, I would agree that with a 50-year-old aircraft, all kinds of "interesting" repairs and modifications could have been made over its lifetime, and these might not be documented as well as one would like. A really careful inspection (visual, NDT, etc) would probably find most of these, but the cost of such an inspection might be prohibitive. The link I posted earlier has a different conspiracy theory - that a US manufacturer felt that imported AN-2s would hurt the sales of one of its aircraft, so that manufacturer leaned on the FAA to be in no hurry to certify AN-2s. [tinfoil]I think what's really going on is that at about the same time the UFO crashed at Roswell, another UFO crashed near St. Peters^W^WLeningrad. The Russians took the alien technology from that crash and applied it to the AN-2, and the US government doesn't want us to find out about it.[/tinfoil] EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #49 December 19, 2006 I like your tinfoil theory scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinhawxhurst 0 #50 December 19, 2006 Was just messin with ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
