skydiverek 63 #1 September 18, 2006 There is United Parachute Technologies now "09.14.06 Relative Workshop Name Change The uninsured Relative Workshop will commence trading under the new name of (the) uninsured United Parachute Technologies, LLC from 1 October 2006. This will allow Bill Booth to gather his many existing companies under one name, and will allow the company to implement a new business model more inline with modern day business practices, which in turn will fulfill our future needs for growth and diversity. The uninsured Relative Workshop has been trading for over 30 years utilizing the same business model and now it is time for change! What does this change mean to our customers?? Apart from some changes in email addresses and our website, there will be no major change in the way that we do business with our customers – apart from the fact that we will be streamlining the way that we operate and providing a better service. As a courtesy, United Parachute Technologies will continue to honor the one year warranty on Vector 3 products produced by Relative Workshop prior to the 1 October 2006 changeover date. We do ask that during this changeover time that you ensure you make payment to Relative Workshop on Relative Workshop invoices, and to United Parachute Technologies on United Parachute Technologies invoices. We are very excited about this change – we will continue to develop more new Vector 3 innovations, and also to diversify into other areas. Although we are sad to say farewell to the Relative Workshop name, we are looking forward to the future, and will continue to produce skydiving equipment using the highest technology." http://www.relativeworkshop.com/home.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy_o 0 #2 September 18, 2006 Pretty old news, it has been on the homepage of DZ.com for 2 weeks now. http://planetskydive.net/ - An online aggregation of skydiver's blogs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #3 September 18, 2006 For those of us that are stupid (read: me) whats with the "uninsured" part of the name? Is it something to do with American business law or just a play on words at how dangerous skydiving is? ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #4 September 18, 2006 It is something to do with American business law and a sue happy culture.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #5 September 18, 2006 QuoteFor those of us that are stupid (read: me) whats with the "uninsured" part of the name? Is it something to do with American business law or just a play on words at how dangerous skydiving is? In court the company is not allowed to say that is has no insurance. But it is difficult to hide your name Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites htrammel 0 #6 September 18, 2006 Many years ago Bill got tired of being sued everytime somebody bounced. Even if his product had nothing to do with it, they still went after him because he had insurance. So he dropped his product liability insurance. I remember him being very happy the day I gave him a bumper sticker that read: "First we kill all the lawyers". I think he had that on his van for quite a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #7 September 18, 2006 QuoteFor those of us that are stupid (read: me) whats with the "uninsured" part of the name? Is it something to do with American business law or just a play on words at how dangerous skydiving is? Insurance companies make easy collections for plaintiff's lawyers. Cash on hand to pay a judgment or settlement. Telling plaintiffs lawyers that you are uninsured tells them that if they want any money, they will have to work their asses off to collect it. Hence, it gives the appearance of being "judgment proof" - that any monetary judgment is merely blood from the company of stone... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bofh 0 #8 September 18, 2006 I thought that Relative Workshop was one of the strongest brand names in the industry. Why give that up for such a boring name as United Parachute Technologies? Consolidating companies and changing business models can be done without changing business names. I don't know USA's business laws, but can't different tradenames be used in different markets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fast 0 #9 September 18, 2006 I very much dislike this name change. Oh well. Still a good product, but I don't think I will be wearing any "United Parachute Technologies" t-shirts or having that crap embroidered on my rig.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #10 September 18, 2006 Why on earth would a business with such a strong name give it up for a new name? Good product but the name stinks. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #11 September 18, 2006 All right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #12 September 18, 2006 How about... Wonderhog Workshop (blah blah whatever LLC)People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #13 September 18, 2006 Well for starters Bill i myself am not an american and i think your product is the biggest name right around the world with skydiving, at least if i meet people around the world people know that vector equals realative workshop, i do not believe that is the same with Javelin and sunpath products. Your new name... Untied parachute tech sounds like united states of america, like if europe was called united states of europe... people that are not american do not want.... well, what i am trying to say is your new name just sounds too american, and i think it will reflect in other countries... You are a modest person Bill but i think if you are changing your name you could be a bit vein as you have earnt that right and if you ask anyone, people buy your product cause it is YOUR product, your testing, your development... After taking a drive to the airport with Pablo after summerfest and they way he spoke of you, i can see you are one very good man. Hence why i think your name is what is selling the product and it is about time you used your name to sell the product..... 'Bill Booth Technologies'. if you have other investors who have come on board they too would see that your name is the way of the future of your business. Bill Booth technologies. 'BBT'. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #14 September 18, 2006 or bill booth parachute tech. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #15 September 18, 2006 >>Why on earth would a business with such a strong name give it up for a new name?<< Probably military contracts . . . that market (worldwide) is much bigger than the sport market and something all sport gear manufacturers would like to crack. Pioneer Parachutes, a name that was bigger than the RWS in their day, disappeared completely from the sport market. The Relative Workshop brand means nothing to military procurement people who are used to dealing with contractors like the below and to whom the government dropped 269 billion on last year. LOCKHEED MARTIN THE BOEING COMPANY RAYTHEON & HUGHES GENERAL DYNAMICS CORPORATION NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORPORATION UNITED TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION TEXTRON INC LITTON INDUSTRIES, INC If just one small NATO country decides to start an airborne branch of their military that contract would be worth more than many year's worth of selling to individual skydivers. Also there's no more whining about colors, no more fun fabric, no more, "Gee, what's a Skyhook . . .? And most of all no more getting sued by civilians. Besides, the 82nd Airborne isn't going to jump into the next war wearing Wonderhogs, lol . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sockpuppet 0 #16 September 18, 2006 "Ye Olde Parachute Company" ? ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #17 September 18, 2006 Fair point, does not mean they need to change there name for this though. Look at sunpath in the uk with the military. I think Bill likes the challenge of us skydiver whinning and challenging him with his products and skyhook or i doubt he would be doing it. I doubt very much that sport skydiver would ever lose his product in the sport fields, that would be like taking his creativity from him. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,298 #18 September 18, 2006 Suggest: RWS, LLC Just the initials, so you don't lose the branding. IBM used to be... EDS used to be... AT&T used to be... ABC used to be... CBS used to be... CNN used to be... All of whom acquired other organizations or developed additional product/service offerings under the "initials" parent company. If the name changes, the ripple effect of new/existing contracts, new waivers, re-registration as government vendor, new logo TM filings, re-filing of D&B for government contracts, loss of time as an entity related to government contracts, etc.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #19 September 18, 2006 Don't be so sure, the Airbrone have been toying with sport style rigs for a while now.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites htrammel 0 #20 September 18, 2006 All right...Give me a better one. You've got one week ________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #21 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Nice one Bill"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #22 September 18, 2006 Three Rings, LLC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fast 0 #23 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. What are you trying to convey with your new name?~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #24 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Gravity Gear is a good name. You can have it for a small fee. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stoneycase 0 #25 September 18, 2006 QuoteThree Rings, LLC along those lines... Three (or 3) Rings Solutions - TRS/3RS Everybody knows who to thank for that little wonder The military loves abbrev/acronymn, whatever you do, make sure you name it so the abbrev or acronymn looks good. BIGGUN and NickDG are right, procurement folks are an odd breed, and its certainly much easier to NOT re-invent the wheel when dealing with them (i.e. give them what they already know and like). I agree though, you lose some of the rep and branding associated with RWS by making a significant change to United Parachute Tech. Maybe a name that incorporates some of the old will help you keep that momentum and recognition. Course, in the contracting world, people change their business cards like their underwear, and its' your name that really counts... Alternatively, can't you just file a DBA or something? Have your corp UPT but then do the DBA for the sport business so it stays RWS? I used to work for a Corp selling IT equipment to the DoD and US Fed Gov, we had a DBA name separate from the actual Corp name. The DBA name was constructed specifically for the procurement process, it was "gov" centric. It went on all RFP/RFQ and it was tied to our D&B # and Cage Code. 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htrammel 0 #6 September 18, 2006 Many years ago Bill got tired of being sued everytime somebody bounced. Even if his product had nothing to do with it, they still went after him because he had insurance. So he dropped his product liability insurance. I remember him being very happy the day I gave him a bumper sticker that read: "First we kill all the lawyers". I think he had that on his van for quite a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 September 18, 2006 QuoteFor those of us that are stupid (read: me) whats with the "uninsured" part of the name? Is it something to do with American business law or just a play on words at how dangerous skydiving is? Insurance companies make easy collections for plaintiff's lawyers. Cash on hand to pay a judgment or settlement. Telling plaintiffs lawyers that you are uninsured tells them that if they want any money, they will have to work their asses off to collect it. Hence, it gives the appearance of being "judgment proof" - that any monetary judgment is merely blood from the company of stone... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bofh 0 #8 September 18, 2006 I thought that Relative Workshop was one of the strongest brand names in the industry. Why give that up for such a boring name as United Parachute Technologies? Consolidating companies and changing business models can be done without changing business names. I don't know USA's business laws, but can't different tradenames be used in different markets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #9 September 18, 2006 I very much dislike this name change. Oh well. Still a good product, but I don't think I will be wearing any "United Parachute Technologies" t-shirts or having that crap embroidered on my rig.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #10 September 18, 2006 Why on earth would a business with such a strong name give it up for a new name? Good product but the name stinks. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #11 September 18, 2006 All right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 September 18, 2006 How about... Wonderhog Workshop (blah blah whatever LLC)People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #13 September 18, 2006 Well for starters Bill i myself am not an american and i think your product is the biggest name right around the world with skydiving, at least if i meet people around the world people know that vector equals realative workshop, i do not believe that is the same with Javelin and sunpath products. Your new name... Untied parachute tech sounds like united states of america, like if europe was called united states of europe... people that are not american do not want.... well, what i am trying to say is your new name just sounds too american, and i think it will reflect in other countries... You are a modest person Bill but i think if you are changing your name you could be a bit vein as you have earnt that right and if you ask anyone, people buy your product cause it is YOUR product, your testing, your development... After taking a drive to the airport with Pablo after summerfest and they way he spoke of you, i can see you are one very good man. Hence why i think your name is what is selling the product and it is about time you used your name to sell the product..... 'Bill Booth Technologies'. if you have other investors who have come on board they too would see that your name is the way of the future of your business. Bill Booth technologies. 'BBT'. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #14 September 18, 2006 or bill booth parachute tech. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #15 September 18, 2006 >>Why on earth would a business with such a strong name give it up for a new name?<< Probably military contracts . . . that market (worldwide) is much bigger than the sport market and something all sport gear manufacturers would like to crack. Pioneer Parachutes, a name that was bigger than the RWS in their day, disappeared completely from the sport market. The Relative Workshop brand means nothing to military procurement people who are used to dealing with contractors like the below and to whom the government dropped 269 billion on last year. LOCKHEED MARTIN THE BOEING COMPANY RAYTHEON & HUGHES GENERAL DYNAMICS CORPORATION NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORPORATION UNITED TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION TEXTRON INC LITTON INDUSTRIES, INC If just one small NATO country decides to start an airborne branch of their military that contract would be worth more than many year's worth of selling to individual skydivers. Also there's no more whining about colors, no more fun fabric, no more, "Gee, what's a Skyhook . . .? And most of all no more getting sued by civilians. Besides, the 82nd Airborne isn't going to jump into the next war wearing Wonderhogs, lol . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #16 September 18, 2006 "Ye Olde Parachute Company" ? ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #17 September 18, 2006 Fair point, does not mean they need to change there name for this though. Look at sunpath in the uk with the military. I think Bill likes the challenge of us skydiver whinning and challenging him with his products and skyhook or i doubt he would be doing it. I doubt very much that sport skydiver would ever lose his product in the sport fields, that would be like taking his creativity from him. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,298 #18 September 18, 2006 Suggest: RWS, LLC Just the initials, so you don't lose the branding. IBM used to be... EDS used to be... AT&T used to be... ABC used to be... CBS used to be... CNN used to be... All of whom acquired other organizations or developed additional product/service offerings under the "initials" parent company. If the name changes, the ripple effect of new/existing contracts, new waivers, re-registration as government vendor, new logo TM filings, re-filing of D&B for government contracts, loss of time as an entity related to government contracts, etc.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #19 September 18, 2006 Don't be so sure, the Airbrone have been toying with sport style rigs for a while now.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
htrammel 0 #20 September 18, 2006 All right...Give me a better one. You've got one week ________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Nice one Bill"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #22 September 18, 2006 Three Rings, LLC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #23 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. What are you trying to convey with your new name?~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #24 September 18, 2006 QuoteAll right...Give me a better one. You've got one week. Gravity Gear is a good name. You can have it for a small fee. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #25 September 18, 2006 QuoteThree Rings, LLC along those lines... Three (or 3) Rings Solutions - TRS/3RS Everybody knows who to thank for that little wonder The military loves abbrev/acronymn, whatever you do, make sure you name it so the abbrev or acronymn looks good. BIGGUN and NickDG are right, procurement folks are an odd breed, and its certainly much easier to NOT re-invent the wheel when dealing with them (i.e. give them what they already know and like). I agree though, you lose some of the rep and branding associated with RWS by making a significant change to United Parachute Tech. Maybe a name that incorporates some of the old will help you keep that momentum and recognition. Course, in the contracting world, people change their business cards like their underwear, and its' your name that really counts... Alternatively, can't you just file a DBA or something? Have your corp UPT but then do the DBA for the sport business so it stays RWS? I used to work for a Corp selling IT equipment to the DoD and US Fed Gov, we had a DBA name separate from the actual Corp name. The DBA name was constructed specifically for the procurement process, it was "gov" centric. It went on all RFP/RFQ and it was tied to our D&B # and Cage Code. The Corp name, OTOH, was the two owner's last names, Inc. I don't think our customers ever really saw the other name, the only time I saw it was on the paycheck or internal garbage. Good luck with whatever you choose!Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
