newb question

[MustGoFast 0]

I see people saying they jumped an RW rig... what does that mean, what are the other options? Then i see people talk about RSL's what exactly is that?... i hate all the new accronyms cuz they make me feel retarded.

I'm sure this is an easy question but the only way for me to learn is to ask.

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[Scoop 0]

I'm not sure what the term RW rig means I'm afraid but as for RSL it means reserve static line. If you do a search in the box top right you'll find loads of information That I can promise!

[AFFI 0]

A lot of info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skydiving

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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[NWFlyer 2]

Start here. The articles by Lisa Briggs are especially relevant to new jumpers.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[MustGoFast 0]

now that's what I thought RSL was but i've seen it used in ways that that didn't make sence to me hence asking about it.

I've read the wiki before, I'll cehck out the other link too. Thanks guys/gals

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[BIGUN 1,314]

DZ.com has a glossary of terms:

http://www.dropzone.com/safety/resources/handbook/gloss2.shtml

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[MustGoFast 0]

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DZ.com has a glossary of terms:

http://www.dropzone.com/safety/resources/handbook/gloss2.shtml

Thanks.. I've read that twice now (once more today in looking for some things). Still havent found the RW yet.

Skydiving... addictive & expensive

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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now that's what I thought RSL was but i've seen it used in ways that that didn't make sence to me hence asking about it.

ummm... can I pull that thread some... Was it, you had some sort of understanding of what an RSL is / does and didn't recognize the name OR was it your instructors at Sky Nights - East Troy, WI, didn't cover what an RSL was in FJC or since during your 8 student jumps during, say, gear checks?!?

[Scoop 0]

RW means relative work. Its a type of skydiving, try looking under FS, its the same thing.

This is why I don't understand what a RW rig would be. Any rig would be suitable for RW/FS/ whatever you want to call it this week

[AFFI 0]

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now that's what I thought RSL was but i've seen it used in ways that that didn't make sence to me hence asking about it.

ummm... can I pull that thread some... Was it, you had some sort of understanding of what an RSL is / does and didn't recognize the name OR was it your instructors at Sky Nights - East Troy, WI, didn't cover what an RSL was in FJC or since during your 8 student jumps during, say, gear checks?!?

I know some instructors that don't mention the RSL at the FJC.

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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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I know some instructors that don't mention the RSL at the FJC.

Hmmmm... I want to say it was covered when I went through FJC and/or FJCs I've seen since then, not in infinite detal, but it was mentioned... then again, that was a lot of years, jumps and beers ago...

IMO, by the time a student gets to their 8th student jump, it should be something that is gone over with them by their instructor... i.e. showing them how to do a gear check and reinforcing such things as how all the bits work. Certainly not to surpass the TLOs and priorities on any given student jump (PULL, PULL AT YOUR ASSIGNED ALTITUDE, PULL STABLE), but the sooner students are exposed to such things and the more its gone over, the better. Same thing different words, IMO, while I wouldn't expect a student to be able to give a disertation on gear like say a master rigger should, I'd expect a student to be able to at least explain the general jist of what an RSL does if their instructor points to one on their student rig and says "What's this / what does it do?" by the time they've got 8 student jumps under their belt. AND... that all being said, if a student doesn't do well or has a lack of knowledge, its their insturctors that have failed them.

... oh... I'd better go lookin' for my flame suit.

[AFFI 0]

Preaching to the choir.

If I teach the FJC students are introduced to the RSL with a through explination and I agree by jump 8 they should understand completely how it works.
If they are working with me - way before jump 8.

There seems to be the opinion by some that students are being overloaded with information and cannot be expected to learn everything while on student status. I believe that some JM’s just want to get them into the air ASAP and don’t want to take the extra time to teach thoroughly or perhaps do not have the capacity to teach.

But then again, I could be wrong.
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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[AFFI 0]

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Certainly not to surpass the TLOs and priorities on any given student jump (PULL, PULL AT YOUR ASSIGNED ALTITUDE, PULL STABLE), but the sooner students are exposed to such things and the more its gone over, the better.

Ahhh, the good old TLO's...

Targeted Learning Objectives in freefall in my instructional philosophy are not a priority.

Learning malfunctions are top (means learning how the gear works and the RSL is part of the gear) - Canopy control - then we can talk about the freefall. After all, it is difficult to practice all that cool freefall stuff if you don’t land safely on the previous jump. I have yet to see a skydiver sitting in the plane on the way to altitude with a femur sticking out the side of their thigh…

In my experience, students preform better in freefall if they are relaxed and relaxation stems from having the confidence that they will land safe and sound - that is bred by good training on malfunctions (means learning how the gear works and the RSL is part of the gear) and canopy piloting...

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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

Well, not to split hairs, certainly knowing how to survive is the top priority to be imparted by instructor to student, but the TLOs are important too, otherwise, what's this sillyness of jumping out of marginally maintained aircraft all about anyways... besides a prelude to drinking beer.

... but we digress from topic.

[MustGoFast 0]

Yes I know what a reserve static line is and yes I can identify it on gear and yes I have been instructed on it and how to check gear (although I don't have a ton of confidence in my ability to do it)

If you saw my second post it was simply confusion in regard to how RSL's where referenced that confused me.. I read about someone pulling the RSL and my understanding was simply its not something you pull but something that is attatched to the cut away and pulls the reserve for you. This confused me.. Sorry I'm still new to all this.

Skydiving... addictive & expensive

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

Its okay. Its good to ask questions and be currious... no matter whether you have 8 jumps or 3000 because when you (if you) start falling into the mindset that you have this skydiving thing "licked", something will come up and bite you in the ass to show you that you're not "all that"... and it may involve six to eight of your buddies carrying you in a pine box.

[MustGoFast 0]

Thanks.. glad to find people willing to share their knowledge... I am definatelly a knowledge whore and am trying to learn everything I can.

Skydiving... addictive & expensive

[bob.dino 1]

Betcha they were on about an RWS rig. That's The Uninsured Relative Workshop, recently renamed to United Parachute Technologies, and manufacturer of the Vector3 harness/container.

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Betcha they were on about an RWS rig. That's The Uninsured Relative Workshop, recently renamed to United Parachute Technologies, and manufacturer of the Vector3 harness/container.

BADDA BING! That would have been my guess, nicely Dave.

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[champu 1]

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Betcha they were on about an RWS rig. That's The Uninsured Relative Workshop, recently renamed to United Parachute Technologies, and manufacturer of the Vector3 harness/container.

I have also heard the term "RW rig" used to refer to any rig that wouldn't be considered freefly friendly. This would include anything with worn velcro riser/pin covers (or to many, velcro covers at all) a rear of leg (ROL) pilot chute, or any setup with similarly exposed bridle.

While a rig of this type will probably be fine for RW (belly flying) use, taking it on a freefly jump wouldn't be recommended. You can search the gear and rigging forum for more info on freefly friendly equipment.