noblesmelissa 0 #1 September 14, 2006 O.K., so yesterday at Skydive Temple I was doing a 2-way and we had Wendy filming us. I heard her ask my jump partner "Are you going to fruit loop her?" Aparently he didn't because we had separation issues.... but I have NO IDEA what that means!!! Should I be worried? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Ron 10 #3 September 14, 2006 QuoteO.K., so yesterday at Skydive Temple I was doing a 2-way and we had Wendy filming us. I heard her ask my jump partner "Are you going to fruit loop her?" Aparently he didn't because we had separation issues.... but I have NO IDEA what that means!!! Should I be worried? YES!!!!!! 2/12/2002 My 4 way teammate was at a boogie at San Isidro, Dominican Republic. He "fruit looped" a guy and the guy by accident pulled my friends cutaway handle. My buddy tracked off never knowing his main was cutaway. He tossed the main and it left. my friend spent the rest of his life trying to deploy the reserve. He was 29 had almost 1000 jumps and was fantastic in the air. His father videoed the entire thing. We used to fruit loop each other after every jump...At times we got open LOW. All in all, I'd say it is a bad idea."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #4 September 14, 2006 Ask John Rich what a fruit loop is all about. He loves themMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinDawg 0 #5 September 14, 2006 I had first unexpected fruitloop on my AFF 7 when I completed whole processing in freefall and instructor came to me and made fruitloop and it was fun! Flyin' Dawg or SkyDog "To understand is to forgive, even oneself." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #6 September 14, 2006 QuoteO.K., so yesterday at Skydive Temple I was doing a 2-way and we had Wendy filming us. I heard her ask my jump partner "Are you going to fruit loop her?" Aparently he didn't because we had separation issues.... but I have NO IDEA what that means!!! Should I be worried? With low jumps, at low altitude and particularly if unplanned, I strongly advise against it. Having said that, it can be a lot of fun. This spring I was on a two-way, and we hadn't worked out quite what was the game plan by the time we got to the plane. Lee suggested doing head-down, and I kind of wimped out, since I wasn't in the mood or something. We settled on freeflying the exit, docking, and doing some drill thereafter. Once we docked we had solid high grips, so I said what the hell. I did a stand-up and fruitlooped us around into a head-down - which we held to 4,500 feet. Part of my decision to go for it was knowing the person with whom I was jumping. Lee has been jumping since Nixon was in charge, is way heads-up and has rock-solid skills. He also has the requisite sense of humor. A number of factors led me to go for it: -We had plenty of altitude, we were doing a two-way and we both had CYPRESes. -We had high grips and good eye contact, so he wasn't blindsided. -I have jumped with him for years, and have complete trust in his abilities. -Since he had suggested a head-down dive in the first place, I did not think he would object to a change in game plan that resulted in our going head-down. Factors that add toward a disastrous outcome of fruitlooping include: -Low jump numbers (of either party). -Being fruitlooped out of a formation -Doing so at breakoff. -A sizable formation, so that the risk of collision due to the lack of separation is increased, both for the fruitlooper and fruitloopee. There are rather a few maneuvers that will never be part of the Dive Pool at Nationals, but can be a lot of fun. Oppenheimers, Saucer & Teacups, Horny Gorillas, Tubes, Steamrollers, Shuttlecocks and Fruitloops are but a few. The key is to take into account that these are nonstandard skydives, and to plan accordingly. If everyone is on the same page, odds are you will have a grand time. If someone is dancing to a different drummer, things can go to hell fast. If you are unsure of the procedure for doing something, ask instructors and/or people who have been around a while and survived. Do not be too eager to buy it if someone says "no problem," but listen if they say "bad plan." Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #7 September 14, 2006 Fun Sponge! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnsw71 0 #8 September 14, 2006 QuoteO.K., so yesterday at Skydive Temple I was doing a 2-way and we had Wendy filming us. I heard her ask my jump partner "Are you going to fruit loop her?" Aparently he didn't because we had separation issues.... but I have NO IDEA what that means!!! So you're probably reading these replies thinking, "Thanks, but will somebody tell me what the hell a fruitloop is??!" It's essentially where one jumper grabs another by the upper arms and then drops into a stand, putting him/her into a feet-down dive while spinning the "fruitloopee" like the big wheel on the Price is Right. It also happened to me on my last AFF jump (we had plenty of altitude), but since I recovered without a problem, I got to graduate one jump early. Yes, they can be fun, but I wouldn't go around doing it to people I don't know, and just like anything in this sport, there is a certain amount of risk. It's essentially like dumping a bucket of water on somebody's head. 99 times out of 100 it's all good fun, but as for that one time that you didn't see the person happend to have been using a hairdryer at the moment... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #9 September 15, 2006 Thanks..I was still wondering myself.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #10 September 15, 2006 He died? That's a bummer. damn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #11 September 15, 2006 Quote My buddy tracked off never knowing his main was cutaway. He tossed the main and it left. my friend spent the rest of his life trying to deploy the reserve. He was 29 had almost 1000 jumps and was fantastic in the air. No RSL, no AAD? Sorry about your friend. It's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. I've been fruit looped a few times. It was alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #12 September 15, 2006 QuoteNo RSL, no AAD? Nope. an RSL might have saved him, and AAD might have saved him...But the first error was doing an unplanned trick, followed by not recognizing the problem and taking the correct action in time. I have always felt we should stop the problems at the first possible step we can. QuoteIt's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. We sat down and thought it out. He normally jumped a Sabre 1 107 and pulled right at 2 grand. From 2 grand you have ~12 seconds till impact, about 9.5 to do something. After the pull the main was already cutaway. I have been told by some folks that if your main is cutaway and you deploy it that you may not even know that it went. So you figure that realizing that nothing happened takes say 2-3 seconds? Reach back to make sure you really did throw it...Say another 2-3 seconds? Reach for the cutaway and find it gone...The shock of it not being there must have been pretty large, say 3-4 seconds. Then reach for a soft handle that he had never pulled before in freefall. So best case maybe 7 seconds before he went for the reserve....to 10 seconds. From 2 grand at terminal 7 seconds is 1232 feet, 10 seconds is 1760 feet. So I can see how it happened. He was seen rolling to his side before impact, putting his arms up over his face. I have fruit looped folks, and been fruit looped. Earlier that year three of us got sucked down pretty low and I asked that they stop including me. Maybe I am taking this personally. He was a great friend and my piece partner. He frankly could skydive circles around me in freefall. After his death our other team mate finished the season and then quit jumping. And even though I had known others that had died jumping before this, I never have looked at skydiving the same way since. I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #13 September 15, 2006 Ron, Thanks for posting this. Just a couple weeks ago, a highly experienced guy wanted to fruitloop my daughter who had 20 jumps at the time. The didn't connect because she didn't understand what he was attempting to do. I didn't know what a fruitloop was at the time either. Now I do, and I'm a bit tweaked that he planned on *surprising* her with this maneuver which is apparently something that a low-number newbie shouldn't experience, especially if they don't know exactly what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #14 September 15, 2006 Personal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #15 September 15, 2006 QuotePersonal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. The fruit loop I am talking about happend at close to SIX grand, and the guy had close to 1,000 jumps, used to high stress situations, (Army infantry and a Police Officer), and was better in freefall than most people I know. What altitude does it matter if the cutaway handle gets pulled? It AMAZES me that people can defend taking someone with very little experience and pulling a damned stunt that they know nothing about and think that it is a good idea. What the hell ever happened to, "plan the dive, dive the plan?" Now I am done."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bumrug 0 #16 September 15, 2006 I was unexpectedly fruit looped once at about 6000 or 7000ft by someone who I knew better on the ground than in freefall. My glove came half way off my right hand and I spent the next few thousand feet trying to get it back on so I could dump! I wasn't too chuffed to be honest.Save a tree: eat a beaver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Yossarian 0 #17 September 15, 2006 so what exactly is fruit-looping? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vskydiver 0 #18 September 15, 2006 Quote I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here. I am appalled that any skydiver would find this practice acceptable! We put a lot of trust in each other when we jump. I think that by doing a “fruit loop” to someone like that is in gross violation of that trust. I don’t find it funny or cute. We have only two chances to get a good canopy and land safely. You are taking away one of those chances when you do that to a person. By having to use your reserve you are on your very last chance. Why would you want to do that to a person for the fun of it?! Not only that but the person is going to have to pay to have their reserve repacked after that and may not be able to jump for the rest of the day or weekend. That’s not cool either! This just strikes me as so wrong on so many different levels. I guess this is where--> you choose who to jump with a little more carefully from now on<-- comes in to play. I know I will from now on. I had no clue this kind of thing went on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #19 September 15, 2006 The idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #20 September 15, 2006 Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell from reading this thread fruitlooping is not pulling some one cutaway handle. That was just an accident that was mentioned above that happened when some one got fruit looped. I don't think any one with a right mind would find that acceptable, in any conditions."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #21 September 15, 2006 Exactly. And I'm completely befuddled as to how someone _could_ grab a handle when fruit-looping someone. I've always just seen someone grab the hands and toss em - I've NEVER seen anyone grab the harness in a fruit-loop. I'm completely baffled as to how the cutaway handle got pulled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vskydiver 0 #22 September 15, 2006 QuoteThe idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Oh.... OK, Never mind. (blonde roots go deep!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #23 September 15, 2006 QuoteI had first unexpected fruitloop on my AFF 7 when I completed whole processing in freefall and instructor came to me and made fruitloop and it was fun! And I've got video of that! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #24 September 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd I've got video of that! Ah HA! So, in other words, we could actually VISUALIZE this little maneuver?!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #25 September 15, 2006 Everyone is different but for me doing anything with or to someone else on exit, freefall, or under canopy that was not planned is highly unacceptable. A skydiver having to process an unexpected event can cause delayed reactions which can lead to injuries and fatalities. 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johnsw71 0 #8 September 14, 2006 QuoteO.K., so yesterday at Skydive Temple I was doing a 2-way and we had Wendy filming us. I heard her ask my jump partner "Are you going to fruit loop her?" Aparently he didn't because we had separation issues.... but I have NO IDEA what that means!!! So you're probably reading these replies thinking, "Thanks, but will somebody tell me what the hell a fruitloop is??!" It's essentially where one jumper grabs another by the upper arms and then drops into a stand, putting him/her into a feet-down dive while spinning the "fruitloopee" like the big wheel on the Price is Right. It also happened to me on my last AFF jump (we had plenty of altitude), but since I recovered without a problem, I got to graduate one jump early. Yes, they can be fun, but I wouldn't go around doing it to people I don't know, and just like anything in this sport, there is a certain amount of risk. It's essentially like dumping a bucket of water on somebody's head. 99 times out of 100 it's all good fun, but as for that one time that you didn't see the person happend to have been using a hairdryer at the moment... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #9 September 15, 2006 Thanks..I was still wondering myself.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #10 September 15, 2006 He died? That's a bummer. damn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #11 September 15, 2006 Quote My buddy tracked off never knowing his main was cutaway. He tossed the main and it left. my friend spent the rest of his life trying to deploy the reserve. He was 29 had almost 1000 jumps and was fantastic in the air. No RSL, no AAD? Sorry about your friend. It's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. I've been fruit looped a few times. It was alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #12 September 15, 2006 QuoteNo RSL, no AAD? Nope. an RSL might have saved him, and AAD might have saved him...But the first error was doing an unplanned trick, followed by not recognizing the problem and taking the correct action in time. I have always felt we should stop the problems at the first possible step we can. QuoteIt's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. We sat down and thought it out. He normally jumped a Sabre 1 107 and pulled right at 2 grand. From 2 grand you have ~12 seconds till impact, about 9.5 to do something. After the pull the main was already cutaway. I have been told by some folks that if your main is cutaway and you deploy it that you may not even know that it went. So you figure that realizing that nothing happened takes say 2-3 seconds? Reach back to make sure you really did throw it...Say another 2-3 seconds? Reach for the cutaway and find it gone...The shock of it not being there must have been pretty large, say 3-4 seconds. Then reach for a soft handle that he had never pulled before in freefall. So best case maybe 7 seconds before he went for the reserve....to 10 seconds. From 2 grand at terminal 7 seconds is 1232 feet, 10 seconds is 1760 feet. So I can see how it happened. He was seen rolling to his side before impact, putting his arms up over his face. I have fruit looped folks, and been fruit looped. Earlier that year three of us got sucked down pretty low and I asked that they stop including me. Maybe I am taking this personally. He was a great friend and my piece partner. He frankly could skydive circles around me in freefall. After his death our other team mate finished the season and then quit jumping. And even though I had known others that had died jumping before this, I never have looked at skydiving the same way since. I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #13 September 15, 2006 Ron, Thanks for posting this. Just a couple weeks ago, a highly experienced guy wanted to fruitloop my daughter who had 20 jumps at the time. The didn't connect because she didn't understand what he was attempting to do. I didn't know what a fruitloop was at the time either. Now I do, and I'm a bit tweaked that he planned on *surprising* her with this maneuver which is apparently something that a low-number newbie shouldn't experience, especially if they don't know exactly what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #14 September 15, 2006 Personal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #15 September 15, 2006 QuotePersonal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. The fruit loop I am talking about happend at close to SIX grand, and the guy had close to 1,000 jumps, used to high stress situations, (Army infantry and a Police Officer), and was better in freefall than most people I know. What altitude does it matter if the cutaway handle gets pulled? It AMAZES me that people can defend taking someone with very little experience and pulling a damned stunt that they know nothing about and think that it is a good idea. What the hell ever happened to, "plan the dive, dive the plan?" Now I am done."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bumrug 0 #16 September 15, 2006 I was unexpectedly fruit looped once at about 6000 or 7000ft by someone who I knew better on the ground than in freefall. My glove came half way off my right hand and I spent the next few thousand feet trying to get it back on so I could dump! I wasn't too chuffed to be honest.Save a tree: eat a beaver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Yossarian 0 #17 September 15, 2006 so what exactly is fruit-looping? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vskydiver 0 #18 September 15, 2006 Quote I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here. I am appalled that any skydiver would find this practice acceptable! We put a lot of trust in each other when we jump. I think that by doing a “fruit loop” to someone like that is in gross violation of that trust. I don’t find it funny or cute. We have only two chances to get a good canopy and land safely. You are taking away one of those chances when you do that to a person. By having to use your reserve you are on your very last chance. Why would you want to do that to a person for the fun of it?! Not only that but the person is going to have to pay to have their reserve repacked after that and may not be able to jump for the rest of the day or weekend. That’s not cool either! This just strikes me as so wrong on so many different levels. I guess this is where--> you choose who to jump with a little more carefully from now on<-- comes in to play. I know I will from now on. I had no clue this kind of thing went on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #19 September 15, 2006 The idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #20 September 15, 2006 Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell from reading this thread fruitlooping is not pulling some one cutaway handle. That was just an accident that was mentioned above that happened when some one got fruit looped. I don't think any one with a right mind would find that acceptable, in any conditions."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #21 September 15, 2006 Exactly. And I'm completely befuddled as to how someone _could_ grab a handle when fruit-looping someone. I've always just seen someone grab the hands and toss em - I've NEVER seen anyone grab the harness in a fruit-loop. I'm completely baffled as to how the cutaway handle got pulled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vskydiver 0 #22 September 15, 2006 QuoteThe idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Oh.... OK, Never mind. (blonde roots go deep!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #23 September 15, 2006 QuoteI had first unexpected fruitloop on my AFF 7 when I completed whole processing in freefall and instructor came to me and made fruitloop and it was fun! And I've got video of that! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #24 September 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd I've got video of that! Ah HA! So, in other words, we could actually VISUALIZE this little maneuver?!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #25 September 15, 2006 Everyone is different but for me doing anything with or to someone else on exit, freefall, or under canopy that was not planned is highly unacceptable. A skydiver having to process an unexpected event can cause delayed reactions which can lead to injuries and fatalities. If you plan on doing something you better know that person very well beforehand. If someone did something unexpected to me there is a chance that there will be an altercation on the ground."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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labrys 0 #9 September 15, 2006 Thanks..I was still wondering myself.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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JohnMitchell 16 #11 September 15, 2006 Quote My buddy tracked off never knowing his main was cutaway. He tossed the main and it left. my friend spent the rest of his life trying to deploy the reserve. He was 29 had almost 1000 jumps and was fantastic in the air. No RSL, no AAD? Sorry about your friend. It's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. I've been fruit looped a few times. It was alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 September 15, 2006 QuoteNo RSL, no AAD? Nope. an RSL might have saved him, and AAD might have saved him...But the first error was doing an unplanned trick, followed by not recognizing the problem and taking the correct action in time. I have always felt we should stop the problems at the first possible step we can. QuoteIt's hard to imagine when someone that experienced can't find silver. Wish he had. We sat down and thought it out. He normally jumped a Sabre 1 107 and pulled right at 2 grand. From 2 grand you have ~12 seconds till impact, about 9.5 to do something. After the pull the main was already cutaway. I have been told by some folks that if your main is cutaway and you deploy it that you may not even know that it went. So you figure that realizing that nothing happened takes say 2-3 seconds? Reach back to make sure you really did throw it...Say another 2-3 seconds? Reach for the cutaway and find it gone...The shock of it not being there must have been pretty large, say 3-4 seconds. Then reach for a soft handle that he had never pulled before in freefall. So best case maybe 7 seconds before he went for the reserve....to 10 seconds. From 2 grand at terminal 7 seconds is 1232 feet, 10 seconds is 1760 feet. So I can see how it happened. He was seen rolling to his side before impact, putting his arms up over his face. I have fruit looped folks, and been fruit looped. Earlier that year three of us got sucked down pretty low and I asked that they stop including me. Maybe I am taking this personally. He was a great friend and my piece partner. He frankly could skydive circles around me in freefall. After his death our other team mate finished the season and then quit jumping. And even though I had known others that had died jumping before this, I never have looked at skydiving the same way since. I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #13 September 15, 2006 Ron, Thanks for posting this. Just a couple weeks ago, a highly experienced guy wanted to fruitloop my daughter who had 20 jumps at the time. The didn't connect because she didn't understand what he was attempting to do. I didn't know what a fruitloop was at the time either. Now I do, and I'm a bit tweaked that he planned on *surprising* her with this maneuver which is apparently something that a low-number newbie shouldn't experience, especially if they don't know exactly what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 September 15, 2006 Personal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #15 September 15, 2006 QuotePersonal opinion: there's a big difference in the risk involved in fruit-looping someone at 8k and at 3k. The fruit loop I am talking about happend at close to SIX grand, and the guy had close to 1,000 jumps, used to high stress situations, (Army infantry and a Police Officer), and was better in freefall than most people I know. What altitude does it matter if the cutaway handle gets pulled? It AMAZES me that people can defend taking someone with very little experience and pulling a damned stunt that they know nothing about and think that it is a good idea. What the hell ever happened to, "plan the dive, dive the plan?" Now I am done."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bumrug 0 #16 September 15, 2006 I was unexpectedly fruit looped once at about 6000 or 7000ft by someone who I knew better on the ground than in freefall. My glove came half way off my right hand and I spent the next few thousand feet trying to get it back on so I could dump! I wasn't too chuffed to be honest.Save a tree: eat a beaver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yossarian 0 #17 September 15, 2006 so what exactly is fruit-looping? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vskydiver 0 #18 September 15, 2006 Quote I have a hard time thinking that this is a good idea...especially when we are talking about low time jumpers not knowing they are going to get tossed. And that is the last I am going to say here. I am appalled that any skydiver would find this practice acceptable! We put a lot of trust in each other when we jump. I think that by doing a “fruit loop” to someone like that is in gross violation of that trust. I don’t find it funny or cute. We have only two chances to get a good canopy and land safely. You are taking away one of those chances when you do that to a person. By having to use your reserve you are on your very last chance. Why would you want to do that to a person for the fun of it?! Not only that but the person is going to have to pay to have their reserve repacked after that and may not be able to jump for the rest of the day or weekend. That’s not cool either! This just strikes me as so wrong on so many different levels. I guess this is where--> you choose who to jump with a little more carefully from now on<-- comes in to play. I know I will from now on. I had no clue this kind of thing went on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #19 September 15, 2006 The idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #20 September 15, 2006 Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell from reading this thread fruitlooping is not pulling some one cutaway handle. That was just an accident that was mentioned above that happened when some one got fruit looped. I don't think any one with a right mind would find that acceptable, in any conditions."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #21 September 15, 2006 Exactly. And I'm completely befuddled as to how someone _could_ grab a handle when fruit-looping someone. I've always just seen someone grab the hands and toss em - I've NEVER seen anyone grab the harness in a fruit-loop. I'm completely baffled as to how the cutaway handle got pulled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vskydiver 0 #22 September 15, 2006 QuoteThe idea is to flip someone over, not to pull their cutaway handle. That was an accident. Dave Oh.... OK, Never mind. (blonde roots go deep!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #23 September 15, 2006 QuoteI had first unexpected fruitloop on my AFF 7 when I completed whole processing in freefall and instructor came to me and made fruitloop and it was fun! And I've got video of that! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #24 September 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd I've got video of that! Ah HA! So, in other words, we could actually VISUALIZE this little maneuver?!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #25 September 15, 2006 Everyone is different but for me doing anything with or to someone else on exit, freefall, or under canopy that was not planned is highly unacceptable. A skydiver having to process an unexpected event can cause delayed reactions which can lead to injuries and fatalities. If you plan on doing something you better know that person very well beforehand. If someone did something unexpected to me there is a chance that there will be an altercation on the ground."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Butters 0 #25 September 15, 2006 Everyone is different but for me doing anything with or to someone else on exit, freefall, or under canopy that was not planned is highly unacceptable. A skydiver having to process an unexpected event can cause delayed reactions which can lead to injuries and fatalities. If you plan on doing something you better know that person very well beforehand. If someone did something unexpected to me there is a chance that there will be an altercation on the ground."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
