Sen.Blutarsky 0 #1 November 12, 2005 Two Pakistan Churches Burned Associated Press Saturday, November 12, 2005 LAHORE , Pakistan — Hundreds of Muslims attacked and burned two churches in Pakistan on Saturday after reports that a Christian man had desecrated Islam's holy book. No one was injured in the blazes. A school, student hostel and the home of a priest were also torched by the crowd of about 1,500 Muslims near the town of Sangla Hill, about 80 miles northeast of Lahore, said police official Ali Asghar Dogar. The attacks were being investigated. About two dozen people had been arrested, Dogar said. The fires came a day after a local Muslim resident accused a Christian of burning a one-room Islamic school along with copies of the Quran. Dogar said the allegations were apparently leveled by people who lost money while gambling with the Christian man on Friday, but police had detained him and were investigating. Shahbaz Bhatti, head of the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance — which promotes the rights of minorities in mainly Muslim Pakistan, denied the charges and condemned the attacks on the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches. "No Christian burned copies of the Quran," he told The Associated Press. "No Christian even can think of doing it. We have maximum regard and respect for the Quran and Islam's Prophet Muhammad." Bhatti accused local Muslim leaders of using mosque public-address systems to urge Muslims to attack the churches. Non-Muslims comprise just 3 percent of Pakistan's 150 million-plus population. The country's Christian minority generally coexists peacefully with the Muslim majority, but there have been occasional attacks on churches and Christian clergy by Islamic extremists railing against Western influence in Pakistan. Thousands of Pakistanis joined angry street protests this spring over the alleged desecration of the Quran by interrogators at a U.S. military prison in Guantanamo, Bay, Cuba. Desecration of the holy book carries the death penalty in Pakistan. Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175385,00.html Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #2 November 13, 2005 for a religion that promotes peace and love, funny how people abuse the teachings and retaliate Understandable though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 November 13, 2005 Personally, I think the Christians are making it up. Islam is the very definition of peace and love to thy neighbor. There's no way they could rise to this level. Next thing you know, they'll be strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up, killing Islamic women and children in schools, hospitals, police stations... No, not possible. *remove tongue from cheek now* ..So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #4 November 13, 2005 Quotefor a religion that promotes peace and love, funny how people abuse the teachings and retaliate Funny how people, in general, seem to become violent when they feel repressed, backed into a corner, desperate, or otherwise provoked. It's great that we can pick some common trait among them (niggers, towelheads, kikes, etc.) to demonize and use to help spread prejudice and hatred. Because, as we all know, prejudice and hatred are Good Things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #5 November 13, 2005 Fair point, there are fanatics in every religion including western ones. Same goes, whoever does those kind ofthings are dispicable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #6 November 13, 2005 im not prejuding Islam at all, there are aspects which i dislike about thereligion but not it is still possible that they did do it, and if that is the case, they are going against their teachings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 November 13, 2005 QuoteQuotefor a religion that promotes peace and love, funny how people abuse the teachings and retaliate Funny how people, in general, seem to become violent when they feel repressed, backed into a corner, desperate, or otherwise provoked. It's great that we can pick some common trait among them (niggers, towelheads, kikes, etc.) to demonize and use to help spread prejudice and hatred. Yeah, because Muslims in Pakistan are an oppressed minority... I'm laughing at that.... Oh, and Mike111, I was being faceious in my other post. If a minority or Muslims burned a bible (and this does happen) and Christians burnt a Mosque down, the world would be in an uproar over it, demanding the heads of those that did it, and then they'd blame it on President Bush.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #8 November 13, 2005 (they'd blame it on President Bush.[/reply} . I would hope not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #9 November 13, 2005 Quoteand if that is the case, they are going against their teachings I'm agreeing with you, mate. The farce wasn't directed at you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #10 November 13, 2005 QuoteYeah, because Muslims in Pakistan are an oppressed minority... What part of, "or otherwise provoked," did you not understand? Please tell me you're not commissioned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 November 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah, because Muslims in Pakistan are an oppressed minority... What part of, "or otherwise provoked," did you not understand? Please tell me you're not commissioned. I was kidding with you too. It's okay. By the way, if I was serious, I'd have to be commssioned. That's how that works. On another note: Muslims do tend to fly off the handle at everything don't they? Pakistan has a law whose sentence is death if the Quran is desicrated. Allegedly, someone mistreated one. Instead of letting the government deal with the allegations, they just burn the place down. Shit, these people need to go to France for a vacation.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #12 November 13, 2005 QuoteBy the way, if I was serious, I'd have to be commssioned. That's how that works. Good point. It's been a while. QuoteMuslims do tend to fly off the handle at everything don't they? If that were the case, we'd see the same kind of stuff happen in Saudi Arabia, or many other neighboring states. I think it has less to do with their being Muslim, and more to do with many other circumstances. Take another similar example, for instance: retaliatory violence against blacks (for such pernicious activities as looking at a white girl, e.g.) in the predominantly white Christian South during most of the last century. In that case, how would "Christians do tend to fly off the handle at everything?" sound? What effect would it have? How could we rephrase that so it's not only more accurate but also less inciteful of broad prejudice? See my point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #13 November 13, 2005 QuoteFunny how people, in general, seem to become violent when they feel repressed, backed into a corner, desperate, or otherwise provoked . . . . . . or steal from a grocery store, or commit adultery, or talk back to their husbands, or . . . Yes, they do tend to get extremely violent over these things. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 November 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteMuslims do tend to fly off the handle at everything don't they? If that were the case, we'd see the same kind of stuff happen in Saudi Arabia, or many other neighboring states.[/re[ly] It is happening though. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Remember the false report from Newsweek citing a "mishandling" of the Quran? That set off riots and demonstrations everywhere. QuoteI think it has less to do with their being Muslim, and more to do with many other circumstances. Take another similar example, for instance: retaliatory violence against blacks (for such pernicious activities as looking at a white girl, e.g.) in the predominantly white Christian South during most of the last century. Yes and no. That was largely localized to specific parts of the US. Not acress the US, France, Italy (Christian/Catholic dominated countries), etc. QuoteIn that case, how would "Christians do tend to fly off the handle at everything?" sound? What effect would it have? How could we rephrase that so it's not only more accurate but also less inciteful of broad prejudice? See my point? Not really, because that is not what's happening right now. And it's not indicative of what used to happen either.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #15 November 13, 2005 QuoteIt is happening though. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Remember the false report from Newsweek citing a "mishandling" of the Quran? That set off riots and demonstrations everywhere. Everywhere? In Saudi Arabia? Jordan? UAE? Specific places, specific incidents. What are more common factors involved than just the obvious and easy-to-fling Islam? Hint: it takes work to dig this stuff out. QuoteThat was largely localized to specific parts of the US. Not acress the US, France, Italy (Christian/Catholic dominated countries), You're starting to get the point. I like this. QuoteNot really, because that is not what's happening right now. Bingo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #16 November 13, 2005 QuoteBingo Indeed, you revised the context and meaning of what I wrote. Clever. I give it a 8.4 on my scale to 10. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mike111 0 #17 November 14, 2005 Althoug with this media these days who knows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #18 November 14, 2005 QuoteFunny how people, in general, seem to become violent when they feel repressed, backed into a corner, desperate, or otherwise provoked. It's great that we can pick some common trait among them (niggers, towelheads, kikes, etc.) to demonize and use to help spread prejudice and hatred. Because, as we all know, prejudice and hatred are Good Things. last 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #19 November 14, 2005 Quotelast 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? I don't know of any groups who, in the last 60 days, have walked in wearing a bomb and blown up everyone in the room. I figure if they were all jointly wearing a bomb, they'd be a little obvious, though. Your question is about as relevant as if the question was regarding non-black groups starting massive riots at the time of those in LA in 1992, or about non-Catholics blowing up tube stations in 1973: attributing the actions of a few to a much, much greater (and oftentimes circumstantial) whole. In the name of what? What, exactly, does it do for you to vilify Islam as a whole for the actions of a fragment of their membership? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ReBirth 0 #20 November 14, 2005 Quotelast 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? Last 60 days, name one non-US nations military to inflict collateral damage on innocent civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Wopelao 0 #21 November 14, 2005 The problem is that Islam, like the catholic church, and many religion is polluted. Today a portion of it advocates hate and violence, otherwise they would not have FATWAS=Religious edicts to that effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Wopelao 0 #22 November 14, 2005 That's easy. Costa Rica Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #23 November 14, 2005 QuoteThe problem is that Islam, like the catholic church, and many religion is polluted. Totally agree with you. And most near all other non-religious groups as well. To further add to the ridiculousness, I'll bark even further up the superset chain and blame religion altogether:last 60 days name one non-religious group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room?Damn religious people. Screw 'em all, I say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #24 November 15, 2005 QuoteWhat, exactly, does it do for you to vilify Islam as a whole for the actions of a fragment of their membership? not vilifying anyone just stating facts. They need to police their own. The fact that clergy incited this means they should be held accountable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,049 #25 November 15, 2005 >They need to police their own. Why don't you police your own? Why do you let people like Terry Ratzmann kill indiscriminately for religious reasons? Don't you care? ----------- March 28, 2005 Seven members of a church were killed by Terry Ratzmann, age 44, in Brookfield, Wisconsin March 12. After shooting eleven people, Ratzmann fatally shot himself. Four victims died at the scene; three others died at a nearby hospital. There is no clear motive but police say that Ratzmann, a long-time member of the Protestant Living Church of God, may have been angered by the teachings of church leader, Roderick Meredith. Apparently, Meredith's teachings differed from those Herbert Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, of which the Living Church of God is a member. Armstrong died in 1986 and Meredith formed a splinter group of the faith which Raztmann joined shortly thereafter. ---------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
SudsyFist 0 #15 November 13, 2005 QuoteIt is happening though. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Remember the false report from Newsweek citing a "mishandling" of the Quran? That set off riots and demonstrations everywhere. Everywhere? In Saudi Arabia? Jordan? UAE? Specific places, specific incidents. What are more common factors involved than just the obvious and easy-to-fling Islam? Hint: it takes work to dig this stuff out. QuoteThat was largely localized to specific parts of the US. Not acress the US, France, Italy (Christian/Catholic dominated countries), You're starting to get the point. I like this. QuoteNot really, because that is not what's happening right now. Bingo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #16 November 13, 2005 QuoteBingo Indeed, you revised the context and meaning of what I wrote. Clever. I give it a 8.4 on my scale to 10. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #17 November 14, 2005 Althoug with this media these days who knows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #18 November 14, 2005 QuoteFunny how people, in general, seem to become violent when they feel repressed, backed into a corner, desperate, or otherwise provoked. It's great that we can pick some common trait among them (niggers, towelheads, kikes, etc.) to demonize and use to help spread prejudice and hatred. Because, as we all know, prejudice and hatred are Good Things. last 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #19 November 14, 2005 Quotelast 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? I don't know of any groups who, in the last 60 days, have walked in wearing a bomb and blown up everyone in the room. I figure if they were all jointly wearing a bomb, they'd be a little obvious, though. Your question is about as relevant as if the question was regarding non-black groups starting massive riots at the time of those in LA in 1992, or about non-Catholics blowing up tube stations in 1973: attributing the actions of a few to a much, much greater (and oftentimes circumstantial) whole. In the name of what? What, exactly, does it do for you to vilify Islam as a whole for the actions of a fragment of their membership? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #20 November 14, 2005 Quotelast 60 days name one non muslim group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room? Last 60 days, name one non-US nations military to inflict collateral damage on innocent civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wopelao 0 #21 November 14, 2005 The problem is that Islam, like the catholic church, and many religion is polluted. Today a portion of it advocates hate and violence, otherwise they would not have FATWAS=Religious edicts to that effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wopelao 0 #22 November 14, 2005 That's easy. Costa Rica Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #23 November 14, 2005 QuoteThe problem is that Islam, like the catholic church, and many religion is polluted. Totally agree with you. And most near all other non-religious groups as well. To further add to the ridiculousness, I'll bark even further up the superset chain and blame religion altogether:last 60 days name one non-religious group to walk in wearing a bomb and blow up everyone in the room?Damn religious people. Screw 'em all, I say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #24 November 15, 2005 QuoteWhat, exactly, does it do for you to vilify Islam as a whole for the actions of a fragment of their membership? not vilifying anyone just stating facts. They need to police their own. The fact that clergy incited this means they should be held accountable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #25 November 15, 2005 >They need to police their own. Why don't you police your own? Why do you let people like Terry Ratzmann kill indiscriminately for religious reasons? Don't you care? ----------- March 28, 2005 Seven members of a church were killed by Terry Ratzmann, age 44, in Brookfield, Wisconsin March 12. After shooting eleven people, Ratzmann fatally shot himself. Four victims died at the scene; three others died at a nearby hospital. There is no clear motive but police say that Ratzmann, a long-time member of the Protestant Living Church of God, may have been angered by the teachings of church leader, Roderick Meredith. Apparently, Meredith's teachings differed from those Herbert Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, of which the Living Church of God is a member. Armstrong died in 1986 and Meredith formed a splinter group of the faith which Raztmann joined shortly thereafter. ---------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
