freelyflyn71 0 #226 August 10, 2005 I'll probably be at the Farm this weekend, wx permitting! Gotta check on some gear sizes! The Braver the Bird...The Fatter the Cat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #227 August 10, 2005 Well, as a young jumper take note from this idiot Veter. As you can see becoming a know it all gets you know where in this sport, especially a dangerous one.http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freelyflyn71 0 #228 August 10, 2005 Roger that! Hope to see you at the Farm this weekend...As a future (hopeful) camera flyer, I've got a million questions for ya! The Braver the Bird...The Fatter the Cat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #229 August 10, 2005 QuoteHave realised a few things. 1. I want to jump at the Ranch. LOL Me, too! I was just thinking about when I could make the trip over there! They sound like a cool group of people!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #230 August 11, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm on the list. Why are you on the list? Derek because he does stuff like land cross pattern after everyone has specified a landing direction. because he is dangerous and doesnt realize that he needs to listen to other people on his dropzone. and guess what at my other dropzone we have bounce bingo too... it has to do with the fact that we are sick of people not listening when they are doing unsafe things, so now after we tell them 20 times, we just put em on the bounce bingo list. muwahahahahaha... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #231 August 11, 2005 maybe you should go to crosskeys a much more corporate dropzone Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #232 August 11, 2005 QuoteQuote This Modified Bounce Bingo thing really isn't a big deal, and I hope you can find other things to get under your skin. How about the appointment of John Bolton to the UN? Or perhaps world hunger. I tend to get pissed off about our failed energy policy that drives consumption rather than conservation, and I sometimes even get pissed about the national policy to destroy our wilderness areas. Think big...there are plenty of meaningful things to get pissed off about. . Tom, Once again an awesome reply to an issue, you astound me with your clarity which others sometimes mistake for humor ;) hehe that was badass! Dave LOLhttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #233 August 11, 2005 QuoteAll right, I got the idea. I said everything I wanted to say here. Maybe USPA and FAA will like the death game so much that we'll soon see the list of winners in the incidents section in Parachutist. Chiao. wow so this guys name is yuri, and if you make fun of him, or try oto lecture him you might wind up with a lawsuit, so look out fo rhim ;) hehe this is awesome....next week on as the prop turns, an idiot blames the tarot reador for his cutaway.... davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #234 August 11, 2005 QuoteYuri, It doesn't matter if its legal or illegal. What matters is you have been labeled unsafe by the jumpers at The Ranch. hmmm labled unsafe by jumpers at the ranch ;) the same place were people hook in between trees and the packing matt, the same place where people yell fire in the hole around the fire, and everyone runs, the same place where people tried to tell me what they are trying to tell you and you aint getting it, and niether did I I guess Titanium or pine will be your teacher bro. good luck with it. Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #235 August 11, 2005 Hehe the S& TA has alredy commented hehe yay Dave QuoteDerrick, The S&TA needs to take an ACTIVE role in the re-eudcation of any jumper that is on the list for "demonstrated" reasons. The DZO needs to be involved as well. If the jumper is a danger to his or herself, they should be grounded and the DZO has a responsibility to advise OTHER DZ's in the area of the jumpers deficencies. Is this "the" solution? NO, but it is a dam site more civilized than a "blood pool". That again, is MY opinion, which isnt worth the band width it takes up, is it??? Scott.http://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #236 August 11, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnyone notice that the new folks don't understand this at all? uh, I'm new but I understand it. And to someone else, yeah he could just get banned from the dz, but then thats just creating a safety problem for the unsuspecting dz down the road. Why not try to deal with it in-house. If these people didn't care they would do nothing, but they are doing something (public ridicule) to get the guys attention. I think he would sue the ranch if he got banned, we already have discovered what a litigious guy he is. Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #237 August 11, 2005 QuoteTo all the jumpers at The Ranch, My aplogies as regards my initial post in this thread. It was knee jerk and, I would not NOT jump at your DZ just because of this (IMHO) absurd pool that you have. I am sure you have nothing but the best of intentions but the actual implementation of such a concept is turly disturbing to me. Scott Thats cool the ranch seems to like people with senses of humor. Cheers Dave Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #238 August 11, 2005 Quote Maybe a few of us sweat in the heat and give off an offensive odor. Sometimes there isn't enough pizza for everyone to have a slice. No mike I always sweat and give off an offensive odor, or maybe that is my jumpsuit, I keep expect to see it heading to the loading area by itself soon... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #239 August 11, 2005 can anyone tell I got bored at work ? anyone... bueller?? bueller?http://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bct110 0 #240 August 11, 2005 Edit to say... Lithium is the key to solving all your problems... Quote I did not survive and return to skydiving after my low-jump-number accident to be ridiculed for the rest of my life. You will be ridiculed as long as you keep going bonkers over it. Quote If I demand to stop, she gotta stop. This thing got under my skin. B.S. You need to get a thicker skin if your gonna hang. This is not the NY public schools where everyone cares about your self-esteem and the masses bend over backwards for the lone dissenter. Get real. In skydiving people are usually making fun one of two ways... a. to your face (if they like you) or b. talking shit behind your back (if they don't)... looks like they started out with A and are probably moving on to B.... on a final note: And I though skydiving was a respite from the weiners like this that are everywhere in todays society... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites txhoss 0 #241 August 12, 2005 Heres the question: If you all are having fun and trying to teach some people to be safe .... then why the hell hasnt the DZO grounded them for the multiple saftey infractions that they continue to make? Seems fair to me if i would give up $10 (READ: half a jump) to bet they went in then i would not want to be jumping anywhere around them and i would ground them. Have Rig will travel ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frost 1 #242 August 12, 2005 guys, your opinions are all true and on the money, but clearly not needed. The guy obviously DOESNT care, he DOESNT listen and he has his own agenda. He is ignored at the Ranch - left to making his solo skydives. Very few people talk to him, his actions are the joke of the DZ, prety much. May be we should just ignore him here as well. This topic was very much fun, no doubt, but I think it's time we put it to rest. Moderator, what do you think?SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,065 #243 August 12, 2005 >then why the hell hasnt the DZO grounded them for the > multiple saftey infractions that they continue to make? Same reason most DZO's don't ground people who jump small canopies, or jump without an AAD I suppose. If he's just going to kill himself (so the thinking goes) why ground him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LawnDart21 0 #244 August 12, 2005 From your earlier post about this guy: Quoteit has to do with the fact that we are sick of people not listening when they are doing unsafe things, so now after we tell them 20 times, we just put em on the bounce bingo list. And this one: Quotethe same place where people tried to tell me what they are trying to tell you and you aint getting it, and niether did I You know what they say about people who live in glass houses................ -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nullified 0 #245 August 12, 2005 QuoteYou know what they say about people who live in glass houses................ Except in Dave's case, this sentence should be past tense. He got hurt, learned, and is now trying to help someone else who he sees is on a dangerous path. I don't see any need for you to point a finger at him. Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LawnDart21 0 #246 August 12, 2005 I dont want to take this thread off topic, but my point was/is, he's no different than Veter_, by his own admission he was warned and would not listen. By your admission, he only learned after he got hurt. If Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? Sorry, maybe its lack of coffee this morning, but I have a problem with people who are warned, won't listen, and then hurt themselves, only to turn around and say to others, hey "Learn from my mistakes". -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #247 August 12, 2005 So then, would you advocate that each should have to make the same mistakes? Perhaps the 'trend' should be more like "I jumped a canopy which was way too small and I femured... I suggest you go out and do the same." ? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with your post? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerm 0 #248 August 12, 2005 i imagine it cause maybe, just maybe, yoe'll be more inclined to listem to someone who's been there than someone they view as a goody-goody who's afraid to push the envelope. likelyhood is they'll conter with something along the lines of "you just obviously weren't up to it" rather than "oh... THAT's what happens if i push too far too fast", but at least my conscience will be clear because i tried. I'm not quite jaded enough yet to NOT try and then write it off as, "ah, they wouldn't have listened anyway." YMMV Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #249 August 12, 2005 QuoteIf Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? Veter's already been hurt. You must have missed that part of his series of posts. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nullified 0 #250 August 12, 2005 QuoteIf Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? It's not that anyone should expect different behavior, it's that we hope for different behavior. Dave may be pointing a finger, but he's pointing an even bigger finger at himself, offering his fuck-ups and injury as an example. By the way, I'm really enjoying my coffee right now! Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 10 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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dharma1976 0 #233 August 11, 2005 QuoteAll right, I got the idea. I said everything I wanted to say here. Maybe USPA and FAA will like the death game so much that we'll soon see the list of winners in the incidents section in Parachutist. Chiao. wow so this guys name is yuri, and if you make fun of him, or try oto lecture him you might wind up with a lawsuit, so look out fo rhim ;) hehe this is awesome....next week on as the prop turns, an idiot blames the tarot reador for his cutaway.... davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #234 August 11, 2005 QuoteYuri, It doesn't matter if its legal or illegal. What matters is you have been labeled unsafe by the jumpers at The Ranch. hmmm labled unsafe by jumpers at the ranch ;) the same place were people hook in between trees and the packing matt, the same place where people yell fire in the hole around the fire, and everyone runs, the same place where people tried to tell me what they are trying to tell you and you aint getting it, and niether did I I guess Titanium or pine will be your teacher bro. good luck with it. Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #235 August 11, 2005 Hehe the S& TA has alredy commented hehe yay Dave QuoteDerrick, The S&TA needs to take an ACTIVE role in the re-eudcation of any jumper that is on the list for "demonstrated" reasons. The DZO needs to be involved as well. If the jumper is a danger to his or herself, they should be grounded and the DZO has a responsibility to advise OTHER DZ's in the area of the jumpers deficencies. Is this "the" solution? NO, but it is a dam site more civilized than a "blood pool". That again, is MY opinion, which isnt worth the band width it takes up, is it??? Scott.http://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #236 August 11, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnyone notice that the new folks don't understand this at all? uh, I'm new but I understand it. And to someone else, yeah he could just get banned from the dz, but then thats just creating a safety problem for the unsuspecting dz down the road. Why not try to deal with it in-house. If these people didn't care they would do nothing, but they are doing something (public ridicule) to get the guys attention. I think he would sue the ranch if he got banned, we already have discovered what a litigious guy he is. Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #237 August 11, 2005 QuoteTo all the jumpers at The Ranch, My aplogies as regards my initial post in this thread. It was knee jerk and, I would not NOT jump at your DZ just because of this (IMHO) absurd pool that you have. I am sure you have nothing but the best of intentions but the actual implementation of such a concept is turly disturbing to me. Scott Thats cool the ranch seems to like people with senses of humor. Cheers Dave Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #238 August 11, 2005 Quote Maybe a few of us sweat in the heat and give off an offensive odor. Sometimes there isn't enough pizza for everyone to have a slice. No mike I always sweat and give off an offensive odor, or maybe that is my jumpsuit, I keep expect to see it heading to the loading area by itself soon... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #239 August 11, 2005 can anyone tell I got bored at work ? anyone... bueller?? bueller?http://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bct110 0 #240 August 11, 2005 Edit to say... Lithium is the key to solving all your problems... Quote I did not survive and return to skydiving after my low-jump-number accident to be ridiculed for the rest of my life. You will be ridiculed as long as you keep going bonkers over it. Quote If I demand to stop, she gotta stop. This thing got under my skin. B.S. You need to get a thicker skin if your gonna hang. This is not the NY public schools where everyone cares about your self-esteem and the masses bend over backwards for the lone dissenter. Get real. In skydiving people are usually making fun one of two ways... a. to your face (if they like you) or b. talking shit behind your back (if they don't)... looks like they started out with A and are probably moving on to B.... on a final note: And I though skydiving was a respite from the weiners like this that are everywhere in todays society... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txhoss 0 #241 August 12, 2005 Heres the question: If you all are having fun and trying to teach some people to be safe .... then why the hell hasnt the DZO grounded them for the multiple saftey infractions that they continue to make? Seems fair to me if i would give up $10 (READ: half a jump) to bet they went in then i would not want to be jumping anywhere around them and i would ground them. Have Rig will travel ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #242 August 12, 2005 guys, your opinions are all true and on the money, but clearly not needed. The guy obviously DOESNT care, he DOESNT listen and he has his own agenda. He is ignored at the Ranch - left to making his solo skydives. Very few people talk to him, his actions are the joke of the DZ, prety much. May be we should just ignore him here as well. This topic was very much fun, no doubt, but I think it's time we put it to rest. Moderator, what do you think?SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,065 #243 August 12, 2005 >then why the hell hasnt the DZO grounded them for the > multiple saftey infractions that they continue to make? Same reason most DZO's don't ground people who jump small canopies, or jump without an AAD I suppose. If he's just going to kill himself (so the thinking goes) why ground him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #244 August 12, 2005 From your earlier post about this guy: Quoteit has to do with the fact that we are sick of people not listening when they are doing unsafe things, so now after we tell them 20 times, we just put em on the bounce bingo list. And this one: Quotethe same place where people tried to tell me what they are trying to tell you and you aint getting it, and niether did I You know what they say about people who live in glass houses................ -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nullified 0 #245 August 12, 2005 QuoteYou know what they say about people who live in glass houses................ Except in Dave's case, this sentence should be past tense. He got hurt, learned, and is now trying to help someone else who he sees is on a dangerous path. I don't see any need for you to point a finger at him. Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #246 August 12, 2005 I dont want to take this thread off topic, but my point was/is, he's no different than Veter_, by his own admission he was warned and would not listen. By your admission, he only learned after he got hurt. If Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? Sorry, maybe its lack of coffee this morning, but I have a problem with people who are warned, won't listen, and then hurt themselves, only to turn around and say to others, hey "Learn from my mistakes". -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #247 August 12, 2005 So then, would you advocate that each should have to make the same mistakes? Perhaps the 'trend' should be more like "I jumped a canopy which was way too small and I femured... I suggest you go out and do the same." ? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with your post? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #248 August 12, 2005 i imagine it cause maybe, just maybe, yoe'll be more inclined to listem to someone who's been there than someone they view as a goody-goody who's afraid to push the envelope. likelyhood is they'll conter with something along the lines of "you just obviously weren't up to it" rather than "oh... THAT's what happens if i push too far too fast", but at least my conscience will be clear because i tried. I'm not quite jaded enough yet to NOT try and then write it off as, "ah, they wouldn't have listened anyway." YMMV Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #249 August 12, 2005 QuoteIf Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? Veter's already been hurt. You must have missed that part of his series of posts. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nullified 0 #250 August 12, 2005 QuoteIf Dave was warned and didnt listen, and only learned after hurting himself, why should he expect Veter_ to do anything different? It's not that anyone should expect different behavior, it's that we hope for different behavior. Dave may be pointing a finger, but he's pointing an even bigger finger at himself, offering his fuck-ups and injury as an example. By the way, I'm really enjoying my coffee right now! Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
