peek 21 #51 July 31, 2006 QuoteI would hate to think I'm joining at a time where skydiving has lost its soul. Sir, Your recognition of that possibility will probably insure that you will retain the "soul" of skydiving. May I welcome you to the sport when the time comes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #52 July 31, 2006 I haven't lost my soul.. but I did lose a sandal once! -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soberamprat 0 #53 July 31, 2006 Just what we need uncle sam fucking with some thing he has no clue about as if he isn't doing enough of that already http://www.swoopstudios.com/videos/videos-rex.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #54 July 31, 2006 Quotei need to clear something up here and it seems i may be the only one in this thread qualified to do so. i am a L1 paraplegic and DISABLED!! not crippled.i dont know where you get your info but i dont like being called a cripple... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Take a breath. The use of words such as "disabled" to describe people who fit the definition was an artificial attempt to change society's use of morally neutral terminology. It was thought that people who were crippled would feel better about themselves if they were no longer described as such. So, instead, we came up with a new word which means the same thing. Furthermore, there are people who now claim that "disabled" is a harsh word, and are trying to create even more ridiculous phrases, such as "physically challenged," to describe people who suffer limitations the majority of folks do not have to deal with. Look at the stink created when someone describes black people as "black people." In a few decades we've gone from "negroes" to "colored" to the asinine "African American." It's silly. And its offensive to assign unkind motives to people who refuse to play this game. By the way, your personal experience is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #55 August 1, 2006 how on earth my personal experience has nothing to do with it is beyond me. since i am disabled or differently abled i think my opinion has merit. also the words cripple, and even disabled denote something that no longer functions. i am the only licenced paraplegic skydiver in the world. seems pretty "able" to meall that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Airman1270 0 #56 August 3, 2006 Quotehow on earth my personal experience has nothing to do with it is beyond me... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Should this conversation continue in Speakers' Corner? I am not being disrespectful. The point here is that we have been conditioned to avoid using perfectly legitimate words because of some people's interpretation of what is or is not "offensive." There is nothing wrong with describing people who suffer physical disabilities as "crippled." It's a valid word that describes a specific set of circumstances. The issue here is that some people long ago decided that the word was disrespectful, and began demanding we use other words that mean the same thing. Since then, certain political forces have decided that the words they themselves decided we should use are now disrespectful, and are demanding we use new words & phrases to replace other words which were never wrong in the first place. A guy who can't use his legs is 1) crippled, 2) disabled, 3) handicapped, 4) physically challenged, 5) all of the above. The correct answer is 5. Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #57 August 4, 2006 Quote.... i am the only licenced paraplegic skydiver in the world... I think you're not the only one. One of our jumpers, here at Atmosphair ( "pbilodeau" on DZ.com) is a paraplegic too. He now has over 150+ jumps, and is a B licence holder. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #58 August 4, 2006 i know (now) wish there were a few more!!all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #59 August 4, 2006 there is no correct answer it is subjective and a personal choice. only someone with said disability can decide what is offensive to him/her. as i said before 'cripple' or "disabled" refers to something that once worked and now no longer does. i dont feel this is accurrate.(even though i prefer to be called disabled) by the way, do you have a close relationship with anyone who is disabled?? just out of interestall that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #60 August 4, 2006 Correction. pbilodeau made his 200th, yesterday! http://www.atmosphair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3121 http://www.atmosphair.com/index.php?section=18&first=8&last=12 Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #61 August 4, 2006 pity i cant read french. i would kove to get together with him for a few jumps???all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
cptchaos 0 #55 August 1, 2006 how on earth my personal experience has nothing to do with it is beyond me. since i am disabled or differently abled i think my opinion has merit. also the words cripple, and even disabled denote something that no longer functions. i am the only licenced paraplegic skydiver in the world. seems pretty "able" to meall that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #56 August 3, 2006 Quotehow on earth my personal experience has nothing to do with it is beyond me... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Should this conversation continue in Speakers' Corner? I am not being disrespectful. The point here is that we have been conditioned to avoid using perfectly legitimate words because of some people's interpretation of what is or is not "offensive." There is nothing wrong with describing people who suffer physical disabilities as "crippled." It's a valid word that describes a specific set of circumstances. The issue here is that some people long ago decided that the word was disrespectful, and began demanding we use other words that mean the same thing. Since then, certain political forces have decided that the words they themselves decided we should use are now disrespectful, and are demanding we use new words & phrases to replace other words which were never wrong in the first place. A guy who can't use his legs is 1) crippled, 2) disabled, 3) handicapped, 4) physically challenged, 5) all of the above. The correct answer is 5. Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #57 August 4, 2006 Quote.... i am the only licenced paraplegic skydiver in the world... I think you're not the only one. One of our jumpers, here at Atmosphair ( "pbilodeau" on DZ.com) is a paraplegic too. He now has over 150+ jumps, and is a B licence holder. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #58 August 4, 2006 i know (now) wish there were a few more!!all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #59 August 4, 2006 there is no correct answer it is subjective and a personal choice. only someone with said disability can decide what is offensive to him/her. as i said before 'cripple' or "disabled" refers to something that once worked and now no longer does. i dont feel this is accurrate.(even though i prefer to be called disabled) by the way, do you have a close relationship with anyone who is disabled?? just out of interestall that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ypelchat 0 #60 August 4, 2006 Correction. pbilodeau made his 200th, yesterday! http://www.atmosphair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3121 http://www.atmosphair.com/index.php?section=18&first=8&last=12 Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cptchaos 0 #61 August 4, 2006 pity i cant read french. i would kove to get together with him for a few jumps???all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ypelchat 0 #57 August 4, 2006 Quote.... i am the only licenced paraplegic skydiver in the world... I think you're not the only one. One of our jumpers, here at Atmosphair ( "pbilodeau" on DZ.com) is a paraplegic too. He now has over 150+ jumps, and is a B licence holder. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptchaos 0 #58 August 4, 2006 i know (now) wish there were a few more!!all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptchaos 0 #59 August 4, 2006 there is no correct answer it is subjective and a personal choice. only someone with said disability can decide what is offensive to him/her. as i said before 'cripple' or "disabled" refers to something that once worked and now no longer does. i dont feel this is accurrate.(even though i prefer to be called disabled) by the way, do you have a close relationship with anyone who is disabled?? just out of interestall that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #60 August 4, 2006 Correction. pbilodeau made his 200th, yesterday! http://www.atmosphair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3121 http://www.atmosphair.com/index.php?section=18&first=8&last=12 Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptchaos 0 #61 August 4, 2006 pity i cant read french. i would kove to get together with him for a few jumps???all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
