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Oh, you mean this?
Okay, and since this is not the bonfire, I'll add that I have some thoughts of my own about exit order and separation in general, not only in Kolomna (although jumping there is what got me thinking). Maybe a new thread is in order.
Okay, and since this is not the bonfire, I'll add that I have some thoughts of my own about exit order and separation in general, not only in Kolomna (although jumping there is what got me thinking). Maybe a new thread is in order.
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Quote***Mi-8 takes up to 26 people onboard and flies with 100 km/h speed. If you wait 3-4 seconds, it is enough to separate from other 2-way freefly formation.
100 km/h is ~ 62 mhp. You say you wait for 3-4 seconds and then get out? Have you ever barrel rolled to avoid a freefall-canopy collision? I only had to do it once – unforgettable experience. I also saw a very experienced jumper passing me in freefall as I was sniveling on one my 200sh jumps. Also unforgettable lesson (poor tracking). As far as I know (I am not a freeflyer) one very common mistake novice freeflyers make is drifting in freefall. Now imagine that the group before you drifts up line of flight and you follow them with 3 second delay in strong uppers with only 62 mpg forward speed on jump run. It is much better to land off then to eat someone's PC.
Someone who has more skydiving experience or knowledge of aerodynamics – please tell me I am wrong.
Hope they got a yellow/red cards.QuoteThe ones that were there during the week as well as the weekend were good, but some of the ones that came during weekends did some stupid shit.
QuoteI disagree with you here. I'm gonna put up a scenario in the Safety And Training forum when I have some more time, so it can be discussed - I might very well be wrong, and if I am, I wanna know.
There are so much threads about separation in this forum... However, these are my calculations: you make a 1 sec pause before jumping out, then you hang out of the helicopter (3 sec), say 'Ready-Set-Go!' (2 sec) and jump out. That gives you 6 seconds. Or, 250 meters of separation. Isn't it enough for a 2-way or 3-way?
QuoteIt's about people on the sidewind (what's the English name?) leg heading collision course towards each other, with one doing a left hand pattern and the other doing a right. There was no real order in the pattern that I could discern,
English name for 'sidewing' is 'base leg'
And there IS a pattern you should concern! There is a rule: you must make you approach from the field! That means, if the arrow shows you it's LEFT side, you should do a LEFT approach. If you come from the field see RIGHT arrow side, make RIGHT approach! It's that easy. I'll try to make an ASCII picture
++++++++++++
+<-windsock+++
+++ FIELD ++++
++++++++++++
++++++++++++
---beerline-------
+++--arrow->++
(buildings)()()()()()()(toilets
)
On this, ahemm, picture arrow points to the right. Coming from the field, you see the left arrow side. So, make left approach, left turns.
QuoteHe drinks like a bloody monster too. He might be a tough asshole when he's working, but he's very enjoyable to drink with, even though I don't understand shit of what he's saying
Drink some more and you will understand
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There are so much threads about separation in this forum... However, these are my calculations: you make a 1 sec pause before jumping out, then you hang out of the helicopter (3 sec), say 'Ready-Set-Go!' (2 sec) and jump out. That gives you 6 seconds. Or, 250 meters of separation. Isn't it enough for a 2-way or 3-way?
Maybe a bit of miscommunication. When I say "exit separation", I mean the time between the one groups exits and the next - setup and fumbling around is included.
The GOGOGO idiots started 3 seconds after one group had exited. We're checking line of flight and the other group that just jumped out.
3-4 secs is far too little here. 6 seconds is ok, but ideally it should be a bit more if there's a mixed exit order. IMHO.
QuoteAnd there IS a pattern you should concern! There is a rule: you must make you approach from the field! That means, if the arrow shows you it's LEFT side, you should do a LEFT approach. If you come from the field see RIGHT arrow side, make RIGHT approach! It's that easy. I'll try to make an ASCII picture
Which is the exact same pattern I described in a previous post. But thanks for briefing me again. Now that I'm in Denmark. Yeah. That'll help
The issue I have with this approach is when the wind is coming from the buildings towards the field. When this happens, people will be on a collision course on base leg - the people coming from the left heading toward the field, the people from the right as well. If someone's setting up a hook turn and is a bit inattentive, things can get interesting.
QuoteDrink some more and you will understand
I tried.
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You were definitely in, but probably too drunk to remember. We weren't so much dissing them as praising their...physical attributes. Or rather a subset of their physical attributes. I refer to the...ummm...ARTWORK we created that was destroyed if you want to know what subsets
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