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Yep, that's one of the things I like about Z-hills...TK and company are straight-up people.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
JohnRich 4
I miss the good old days, when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and settle-up after sunset before going home...
QuoteI miss the good old days, when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and settle-up after sunset before going home...
That describes the DZ I started jumping at. Having started there, I made the mistake of thinking every other DZ would do the same thing.
I had jumped at another DZ for almost 2 years. Every time I owed money I would faithfully square up. I thought that would prove I was trustworthy, but I guess not. To this day, they still make me leave a credit card until I settle up. On top of that, they won't let me carry a balance from Friday to Sunday. They make me square up at the end of every jump day. This gets annoying when I pay by debit card and I have to make 3 entries into my check book every weekend I jump when I could just be making 1 on Sunday.
Anyway, if you didn't get a discount on your cash when you put it down, you'd ought to be able to get it all back in cash.
That's BS that they wouldn't give it back to you. Especially if they never told you this policy up front AND told you over the phone "Come on in and get it."
I can see why you're not jumping at that DZ any more. Hopefully the management will realize they have lost potential revenue and will alter future practices to accommodate....
Unless they've just become a tandem factory and are just going to cater to tandems.....
"Let the misinterpretation and attacks begin."
mdrejhon 8
It's still the way it is at many of the dropzones I jump at around here.QuoteI miss the good old days, when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and settle-up after sunset before going home...
The exception are during the Gananoque Twin Otter boogies, where I'm manifesting on a Twin Otter instead of a Cessna, then it's the paper jump ticket system and the tickets are totally transferrable (if both parties agreed to it) for paying a camera jumper and whatnot... I was even able to reuse the paper jump tickets at future Twin Otter boogies, when the weather was crappy...
bob.dino 1
QuoteOn top of that, they won't let me carry a balance from Friday to Sunday. They make me square up at the end of every jump day. This gets annoying when I pay by debit card and I have to make 3 entries into my check book every weekend I jump when I could just be making 1 on Sunday.
They probably balance their books at the end of every jumping day. Makes it much easier to find and fix any mistakes.
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>when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and
> the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and
> settle-up after sunset before going home...
Still that way a lot of places. At Perris, when someone goes negative on their account, Dan will give them an occasional "hey Slammer, you need money on your account" - and quite often will just settle up at the end of the day.
> the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and
> settle-up after sunset before going home...
Still that way a lot of places. At Perris, when someone goes negative on their account, Dan will give them an occasional "hey Slammer, you need money on your account" - and quite often will just settle up at the end of the day.
QuoteI miss the good old days, when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and settle-up after sunset before going home...
You know who ended that tradition?
The jumpers. The jumpers stiffing the DZ out of a few jumps here and there between a few jumpers. Over the coarse of a year, that's a good sum of money.
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Quotethey've just become a tandem factory and are just going to cater to tandems.....
Fixed it for you
Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva
Quote....You know who ended that tradition?
The jumpers. The jumpers stiffing the DZ out of a few jumps here and there between a few jumpers. Over the coarse of a year, that's a good sum of money.
...and caused the need for jump tickets by sneaking onto loads without paying.
Fortunately, we have a couple of old-school DZs around here who trust and are trusted.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Dolph 0
At smaller DZs this system still seems widely used. It's harder to sneak on a small Cessna load or leave without paying and get away with it when the customer base is very small and well known.
In a country like Deemark (lots of small clubs, all with Cessnas, relatively few skydivers), getting caught cheating would probably have great social consequences and any cheater would have a hard time finding a DZ that'd let him or her jump.
I'm too new in the sport to know how things were before the multiple-twin-otters DZs opened - but I am not entirely sure cheating skydivers is the man reason that tradition ended. The sheer volume of people going through the system at a big DZ makes effective management much more important.
In a country like Deemark (lots of small clubs, all with Cessnas, relatively few skydivers), getting caught cheating would probably have great social consequences and any cheater would have a hard time finding a DZ that'd let him or her jump.
I'm too new in the sport to know how things were before the multiple-twin-otters DZs opened - but I am not entirely sure cheating skydivers is the man reason that tradition ended. The sheer volume of people going through the system at a big DZ makes effective management much more important.
teason 0
Our DZ still works that way if you either do work for the DZ or leave CC number on file. It works great with the exception of the odd instructor or packer that stops doing work and racks up his account. When it becomes a problem they stop showing up and go elsewhere with a huge debt at our DZ. last year an instructor stiffed us $300 bucks.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
At Gan, staff typically just settles up at the end of the year. Or by making deposits through the winter. It's not so busy with students at the beginning of the year, so it takes all summer to work off the debt incurred.
Fun jumpers settle up at the end of the weekend or sometimes are even able to work something out for paying after payday or whatnot.
In the Cessna's, our pilots keep a log of everyone that gets in the plane for weight and balancing Nav Canada requirements anyway, so it works well to keep track of jumpers.
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In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Fun jumpers settle up at the end of the weekend or sometimes are even able to work something out for paying after payday or whatnot.
In the Cessna's, our pilots keep a log of everyone that gets in the plane for weight and balancing Nav Canada requirements anyway, so it works well to keep track of jumpers.
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In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteI miss the good old days, when you just jumped all day without worrying about payment, and the drop zone knew they could trust everyone to come inside and settle-up after sunset before going home...
You know who ended that tradition? The jumpers. The jumpers stiffing the DZ out of a few jumps here and there between a few jumpers. Over the coarse of a year, that's a good sum of money.
Yep, there's always a few assholes who spoil it for everyone else.
Brains 2
You relize that you are both talking about the SAME dz??
Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you.
Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you.
Quotelast year an instructor stiffed us $300 bucks.
Have you got his address?
My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals
teason 0
I gave the address to Vinnie and Luigi.
They said they'd "take care of it".
They said they'd "take care of it".
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
JohnMitchell 16
It's a small world if you're going around stiffing DZO's. I helped our DZO recover $300+ from a coworker that transfered across the country. I wish I could have seen him in his boss's office being asked about that overdue, outstanding debt.
The guy had plenty of dough. He was just an asshat who figured he was too cool to pay his bills. Karma rules.
The guy had plenty of dough. He was just an asshat who figured he was too cool to pay his bills. Karma rules.
Yeah Z-hills is cool. Their manifest program prints tickets and gives each ticket a bar code. When you want to manifest you just walk up to the manifest window, and hand them your ticket. They scan it in, and you can see your name on the list for the next load.
At the end of your time there they will cheerfully refun your money for any unused gear rentals/jump tickets.
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