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I have never jumped from a porter equipped with belts, and some otters I've jumpe were not equipped either.
when a plane is equipped, i use the belts though.
same goes with helmets, on the head and closed or strapped to the chest strap.
when a plane is equipped, i use the belts though.
same goes with helmets, on the head and closed or strapped to the chest strap.
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riddler 0
QuoteI have never jumped from a porter equipped with belts
The one and only Porter I jumped from (Eloy holiday boogie, 2002) had seat belts for all positions. They actually made the ride quite uncomfortable, since the bolts on the floor were always jammed into my knee or ankle. I would still prefer seat belts, but that's the last time I plan to jump a Porter
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gjhdiver 0
I'll wear any belt that restrains me, and not one that is attached loosely to an insecure point in the aircraft, whose sole function is to restrict me in the event of an emergency exit.
billvon 2,990
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>whose sole function is to restrict me in the event of an emergency exit.
Actually its sole function is to prevent you from being a missile and killing _me_. Wearing a seatbelt is not just for you.
Actually its sole function is to prevent you from being a missile and killing _me_. Wearing a seatbelt is not just for you.
gjhdiver 0
Quote>whose sole function is to restrict me in the event of an emergency exit.
Actually its sole function is to prevent you from being a missile and killing _me_. Wearing a seatbelt is not just for you.
True, but I'm not wearing one that doesn't do that either, or will allow me just enough leeway to kill those behind me and no more.
There's not many restraints out there that actually do a whole lot. In fact, one plane I was in had lap belts that you would have slid out of instantly if the plane had braked hard, let alone crashed. I've been in others where you can't do your own, you have to rely on the person behind to clip and unclip you. I'm not going to do that either. What If I'm by the door, and person behind me is incapacitated, and I'm blocking everyone else ?
Like I said, I'll wear any restraint capable of doing it's job correctly. It's a pity that there are so few of them out there.
billvon 2,990
>Like I said, I'll wear any restraint capable of doing it's job correctly.
No problem with that, but please have the courtesy to tell both the pilot (who can be fined by the FAA) and the other passengers (who you put at risk) that you will not be wearing it. They have a right to know the additional risk you are putting them at. Once you tell them, they can make their own decisions as to whether they want to take that risk.
No problem with that, but please have the courtesy to tell both the pilot (who can be fined by the FAA) and the other passengers (who you put at risk) that you will not be wearing it. They have a right to know the additional risk you are putting them at. Once you tell them, they can make their own decisions as to whether they want to take that risk.
gjhdiver 0
Quote>Like I said, I'll wear any restraint capable of doing it's job correctly.
No problem with that, but please have the courtesy to tell both the pilot (who can be fined by the FAA) and the other passengers (who you put at risk) that you will not be wearing it. They have a right to know the additional risk you are putting them at. Once you tell them, they can make their own decisions as to whether they want to take that risk.
I do.
fudd 0
It's not only to protect you from becomming a missile. It's to protect everybody from becomming a misile.
If two people don't wear them, then the person behind them will be hit by two bodies.
The idea is to secure the cargo to as many points as possible.
Also I imagine that if the plane gets in trouble and rolls, enter a dive or simular, it will be a lot easier for the pilot to gain control of the plane without five skydivers in the cockpit....
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If two people don't wear them, then the person behind them will be hit by two bodies.
The idea is to secure the cargo to as many points as possible.
Also I imagine that if the plane gets in trouble and rolls, enter a dive or simular, it will be a lot easier for the pilot to gain control of the plane without five skydivers in the cockpit....
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QuoteThis link for the ejected jumper connects to a report regarding a jump plane crash caused by contaminated fuel.
You're absolutely right though. Seat belts are mandatory, not just from a legal perspective, but, more importantly, from a safety perspective.
Yes, and during that crash because of contaminated fuel the jumper was ejected from the plane. This jumper was the "serious injury" listed on the report. The report itself does not describe the ejection but it did happen and the person has posted here on DZ.com about it. It surves as a warning to all to check that they are using their seatbelts and restraints in a way that will maximize their survivability.
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The problem is that the seat belts were designed for use in a seat.The FAA and the TSO process prevent the use of restraints that would be much more effective than the lap belts typically used for skydiving.I jumped a Caravan in Belgium that had restraints that had the equivalent to an RSL release (only bigger)that could be hooked right on to a hip ring or thru a leg strap/lift web that appeared to offer a much better restraining ability than a typical lap belt.
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If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.
If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.
Zenister 0
exactly.
it seemed odd to see real 'seat belts' in aircraft with no seats, i always wondered why carabiners with locking gates and the proper webbing sewed to them were not used instead?? MUch more easily clipped on to hip rings and nearly bombproof unless dileberately removed.... till someone pointed out the legal certification process that would be nessesary first...
it seemed odd to see real 'seat belts' in aircraft with no seats, i always wondered why carabiners with locking gates and the proper webbing sewed to them were not used instead?? MUch more easily clipped on to hip rings and nearly bombproof unless dileberately removed.... till someone pointed out the legal certification process that would be nessesary first...
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QuoteThe problem is that the seat belts were designed for use in a seat.The FAA and the TSO process prevent the use of restraints that would be much more effective than the lap belts typically used for skydiving.I jumped a Caravan in Belgium that had restraints that had the equivalent to an RSL release (only bigger)that could be hooked right on to a hip ring or thru a leg strap/lift web that appeared to offer a much better restraining ability than a typical lap belt.
I never said you had to use a regular seat belt that came standard with the plane. Of course we have to modify things so they are actually safe to use in our type of operation. My bad for assuming that this would make sense.
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