Adriandavies 0 #26 April 15, 2006 QuoteI thought the EU gas prices were so high due to taxes? Yep...I can't remember exact figures but in the UK I think about 90% of the cost of a gallon of fuel goes straight to the Government in tax. BTW aviation fuel here isn't taxed as highly as automobile fuel but jump tickets are still generally about £20 or US$34 to 14,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #27 April 15, 2006 Yea on lou dobbs last night he was talking about a oil company CEO who was retiring, made 51 million as pay last year and left the company with a pay out bonus of 400 million. So I think it would work to but who's going to stop driving their bigass gas hog'n SUV. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #28 April 15, 2006 QuoteThere is a mass e-mail going around that is trying to get people to stop buying gas from one of the large companies, lets say exxon-mobil. If no one bought gas from this company they would have to lower thier prices forcing the other companies to do the same. Havent thought much about it but on the surface it sounds plausible. Lets face it. the oil companies have posted the largest profits in history. exxon-mobile just knocked off walmart for #1 Sadly it won't have much effect.....http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #29 April 15, 2006 I watched Jet-A prices until they went out of sight...my eyes aren't what they used to be...but then, neither is my wallet. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eule 0 #30 April 30, 2006 QuoteRemember guys a $1.00 increase in turbine fuel equals a $1.00 in jump prices if a DZO is going to breakeven on the price change. If the DZ I jump at was buying that much turbine fuel, we'd better be having some kick-ass bonfires or something, as I don't think you can run Jet-A in a 182. I thought 100LL was usually cheaper than Jet-A, but looking at http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html , it looks like Jet-A is actually a little cheaper right now. I usually figure that 100LL sells for $1/gal more than whatever the corner gas station is charging. On a semi-related note, http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24 can be instructive. Ask for a chart of the USA average price, with nothing for "Area 2" and "Area 3". Check the "include crude price" box and ask for a 9-month or 1-year graph, and watch what happened to gas as compared to crude around early September 2005 (Hurricane Katrina). It's also instructive to just plot the average price for your area for a year or so; around here, when the price isn't being fooled with, the natural pattern is a sawtooth without about a 3-week period. Eule (Yes, this is a late reply. I'm catching up on a backlog.)PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #31 April 30, 2006 Quote and watch what happened to gas as compared to crude around early September 2005 (Hurricane Katrina). There were major issues with refinery shutdowns due to Katrina as a significant % (I forget exactly what) of refined product comes from the area hit by Katrina, so with a shortage of refined product refinery margins surged and that is what accounted for the gap opening up between gas and crude product. You can have all the crude in the world, but if you can't refine it into anything it's pretty useless btw, I heard recently that there are only 4 refineries worldwide that can refine Avgas and that 3 of them are down at the moment - apparently leading to a global Avgas shortage, does anyone know if this is true?? I find it hard to believe but....?? I know that we have had Avgas shortages here but not sure if it really is a global issue.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #32 April 30, 2006 QuoteQuote and watch what happened to gas as compared to crude around early September 2005 (Hurricane Katrina). There were major issues with refinery shutdowns due to Katrina as a significant % (I forget exactly what) of refined product comes from the area hit by Katrina, so with a shortage of refined product refinery margins surged and that is what accounted for the gap opening up between gas and crude product. You can have all the crude in the world, but if you can't refine it into anything it's pretty useless btw, I heard recently that there are only 4 refineries worldwide that can refine Avgas and that 3 of them are down at the moment - apparently leading to a global Avgas shortage, does anyone know if this is true?? I find it hard to believe but....?? I know that we have had Avgas shortages here but not sure if it really is a global issue. 100LL contains tetraethyl lead (TEL). There is no longer any US manufacturer of TEL. The entire US supply comes from a single source, and that is in the UK. Scary thought, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #33 April 30, 2006 Quote 100LL contains tetraethyl lead (TEL). There is no longer any US manufacturer of TEL. The entire US supply comes from a single source, and that is in the UK. Scary thought, eh? Are you saying the TEL supply for the US refinery comes from the UK? This was what I saw on an aviation forum, but no idea how accurate it is: "There are only four Avgas manufacturers worldwide and following the closure of the Durban refinery, two others shut down for maintenance, leaving only the US refinery to meet global supply demands. " edited to add: a sobering note http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-EndOf100LL.htmSkydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #34 April 30, 2006 QuoteQuote 100LL contains tetraethyl lead (TEL). There is no longer any US manufacturer of TEL. The entire US supply comes from a single source, and that is in the UK. Scary thought, eh? Are you saying the TEL supply for the US refinery comes from the UK? This was what I saw on an aviation forum, but no idea how accurate it is: "There are only four Avgas manufacturers worldwide and following the closure of the Durban refinery, two others shut down for maintenance, leaving only the US refinery to meet global supply demands. " edited to add: a sobering note http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-EndOf100LL.htm That's what AOPA says too (May 2006 issue of PILOT, page 111)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #35 April 30, 2006 Quote 100LL contains tetraethyl lead (TEL). There is no longer any US manufacturer of TEL. The entire US supply comes from a single source, and that is in the UK. Scary thought, eh? Incidentally, is this any scarier than saying: The entire global Avgas supply comes from a single source, and that is in the US. Scary thought, eh? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 May 1, 2006 Jet A Price at the Pump at Skagit Regional Airport Mt Vernon WA...... $4.49 per gallon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scdrnr 0 #37 May 1, 2006 QuoteRemember guys a $1.00 increase in turbine fuel equals a $1.00 in jump prices if a DZO is going to breakeven on the price change. I don't think this rule of thumb works that well across the board. There are a lot of other factors involved. For instance, in our King Air, $20 lift tickets are break-even at a fuel cost of $2.40/gal, and need to go up $1 for every 40 cent shift in the fuel price. This is based not on the planes max lift capacity but on a reasonable average of 10 jumpers per load. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
