clintonradloff 0 #1 December 21, 2005 HI, ARE AAD'S ,CYPRES COMPULSORY ON PARACHUTE RIGS. A QUESTION FOR ME AND MY FRIEND CLINTON Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #2 December 21, 2005 No. A cypres is an AAD. Maybe one day someone could decide to have AAD's be mandatory...but doubtful that it would just be Cypres. There are others like Vigil and shtuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clintonradloff 0 #3 December 21, 2005 WELL THEY SHOULD BE. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DONT PULL! OR DONT PULL IN TIME. IT SHOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC THING /? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #4 December 21, 2005 QuoteWHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DONT PULL! OR DONT PULL IN TIME. Well then you'd most likely die. Or wish you were dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clintonradloff 0 #5 December 21, 2005 I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CYPRES WAS THERE TO STOP THE "SPLAT" ........ ANYWAYS THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #6 December 21, 2005 Quote I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CYPRES WAS THERE TO STOP THE "SPLAT" That's why you pull! I'm pretty sure most all students use an AAD. Once you have about an A license it's ultimately up to you. I know alot of people who do use them and enough that don't. Most people that don't use them either can't afford one or don't feel they do the type of jumping that needs one. I have one, but hope I'll never need it and NEVER rely on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #7 December 21, 2005 it depends on your country regulations. They can vary from yes for all to no for all... Many countries have AAD mandatory for students and tandems. Having Caps Lock unlocked is mandatory though scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #8 December 21, 2005 A more straight answer: Usually no, but Cypres is compulsory in some areas and some dropzones. I know it is compulsory at a few dropzones near me. It is not always compulsory on a national level (North America comes to my mind). But I can see by other posts that there are certain countries that it is compulsory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #9 December 21, 2005 Hey bud, First off, please don't type in caps, it is aggressive. Secondly, an AAD is an additional safety device that was developed to reduce the deaths in the sport that occurred due to people becoming unconscious or being knocked out or losing altitude awareness. It was never developed to replace the skydiver opening his own parachute. The AAD fires the reserve parachute. If you are thinking that it is there to replace the pull, you are very misinformed. It is purely an additional safety device and should NEVER be taken for granted. It is also a mechanical device that could fail. We teach students to be competent skydivers and to beable to deploy their main parachute each skydive at the correct altitude. The reserve is there for emergencies, when there is something majorly wrong with the main parachute. If you are jumping or thinking about jumping, please speak to an instructor at your dropzone. No, an AAD is not there to replace the pull and it tries to stop the SPLAT but only in extreme cases. Some countries have made it a mandatory requirement. In SA, we only have to place them in all Student Freefall gear. Most skydivers put them in their rigs though. Please PM if you have any further questions or queries on this. BTW, Cypres is a brand of AAD. There are other brands in the market as well. I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #10 December 21, 2005 I see your an Aussie. You should be receiving the most recent copy of the APF Op Regs soon, but here are the items about the use of AADs. Quote 5.1.15. All freefall descents made by parachutists who do not hold a Certificate "E" must be made with equipment fitted with a functional reserve static line or an operational automatic activation device. The DZSO, in writing, may permit exemptions to this rule for specific descents. 5.1.16. Notwithstanding the provisions of 5.1.15, all freefall descents made by parachutists who do not hold a Certificate "D" must be made with equipment fitted with an operational automatic activation device. 5.8.12. A Tandem descent shall not be made unless the equipment is fitted with an operational automatic activation device. 6.1.14. An automatic activation device set to operate, at a safe height: (a) the main parachute; or (b) being an automatic activation device approved by the Director Safety, the reserve parachute; shall be used on all freefall descents by a student parachutist, other than tandem descents. Note: The Cypres automatic activation device (Expert and Student models) manufactured by Airtec GmbH is approved by the Director Safety for the purposes of 6.1.14. See 5.8.12 for AAD requirement for tandem descents. Some DZ's have more strict policies on the use of AADs and RSLs, check with your local Chief Instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #11 December 21, 2005 QuoteI ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE CYPRES WAS THERE TO STOP THE "SPLAT" ........ ANYWAYS THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. There are concerns with some disciplines such as CRW and advanced swooping that having an AAD may contribute to people going SPLAT!"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #12 December 21, 2005 Stop yelling!I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshi 0 #13 December 21, 2005 QuoteFirst off, please don't type in caps, it is aggressive. It's not aggressive...but it makes you sound (read) like a dork. AAD is compulsary in Belgium. I'm not sure if I wanted one if they weren't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuote 5.1.15. All freefall descents made by parachutists who do not hold a Certificate "E" must be made with equipment fitted with a functional reserve static line or an operational automatic activation device. The DZSO, in writing, may permit exemptions to this rule for specific descents. You know, I just don't understand this. RSL OR AAD These serve different purposes, are likely to be helpful in different situations. One does not replace the other. I have had to explain this to LOTS of newbies. Normal quote "I have a Cypres, I don't need an RSL. Besides, (insert skygod name) says they're bad." I had one rigging customer who was low, screwed up the PC toss panicking and wrapped it around himself. He started EP's by pulling the cutaway and then waited for the RSL to open the reserve. Luckily he only waited a second and realized he needed to pull it. The guy had a couple hundred jumps, new his mistake in thinking, but got a good lecture and some review by me. They compliment each other. Canopy collision at 600'? AAD won't fire but an RSL may save your butt. Having too much fun to worry about that planet rushing at you? The AAD may rudely remind you by putting a parachute over your head. An RSL will just hang there watching. Mandate one, or both, but mandating one or the other only covers half the equation. I guess you get to decide which situation you want help with.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #15 December 21, 2005 Bad,Bad,Bad things can and will happenif you don't pull'or pull late. No it should not be an automatic thing!!! When you jump you are taking FULL responsibility for your self, you are the owner of the life God gave you! If you think they should bean automatic "thing then go to a amusement park and ride a ride that gives you the precieved danger. This is a seriou sport not a game or a ride,we take responsibilty for our action BRYAN-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleDJ 0 #16 December 21, 2005 an AAD is a back up device, incase the worst happens, it is your choice to have it, and should never be relied upon, the best activation device you have are your hands!! ***************************************************************************** LittleDJ!!- There is no such thing as a perfectly good aircraft!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleDJ 0 #17 December 21, 2005 best thing is to have both if you ask me if the worst happens better to have two chances than one!!!(My Opinion Only)*********************************** LittleDJ!!- There is no such thing as a perfectly good aircraft!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #18 December 21, 2005 Or, in simpler terms: in Australia you must have an AAD until you have at least 200 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 December 22, 2005 QuoteOr, in simpler terms: in Australia you must have an AAD until you have at least 200 jumps. Huh? As Terry was saying, appears to be an AAD or an RSL. Which doesn't quite make sense to me either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #20 December 22, 2005 QuoteHI, ARE AAD'S ,CYPRES COMPULSORY ON PARACHUTE RIGS. A QUESTION FOR ME AND MY FRIEND CLINTON They're required for students. Some dropzones require them for experienced skydivers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #21 December 22, 2005 QuoteOr, in simpler terms: in Australia you must have an AAD until you have at least 200 jumps. are you sure, I thought it was a E (500 jumps) licence?? C (200Jumps) means you can ditch your RSL...----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #22 December 22, 2005 You must have an AAD to D licence (200 jumps). Between D & E (500) you can have either an AAD or an RSL. Once you have your E you can do what you like. Ergo, you must have an AAD until you have at least 200 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 December 22, 2005 ah, ok. So effectively does that mean everyone buys one with their first rig, keeps it at least through the lifetime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #24 December 22, 2005 Pretty much. I don't know many jumpers without AADs here, though some of the older crowd jump without when the Cypres' hit EOL or need a service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clintonradloff 0 #25 December 24, 2005 OK. if i was to jump that NB-8 ive got i have ill definiterly get a AAD for it. Clinton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
