LOOK OUT from below

[stratostar 5]

The photos tell all !

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[Tink1717 2]

OK, what are the details? Was that guy on your jump or from the next group out?

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[FrogNog 1]

Is there a second viewpoint? I think that's just parallax.

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[diablopilot 2]

Looks awful Photoshoped to me, but if it is real what was the camera person doing there? Looks like mistakes were made all around.

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[stratostar 5]

I was filming a two way, a guy and his wife, both are low timers 80 and 45 jumps each, the wife was tracking to him, he went low,did a half of a wave off
and threw out, she saw it coming and started to turn away, he never tracked off, just dumped.
It could have been worse, but was very close to being real bad, not the best photos, frame grabs.
But you get the idea

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[skyejumper 0]

The S&TA needs to have a serious talk w/ the two of them. Both need to practice their tracking. If one isn't comfortable tracking well, he/she should pull in place a bit higher and the other one should track their a&* off and check the air above them before dumping. I'm glad things turned out ok here.

[Scrumpot 1]

What is your altitude here? How far was the wife having to "track" here to get to him? Looks to me as if she ALSO got pretty much directly over him, at a fairly low altitude, at least relative to what sub-100 jump newbies tend to pull at (depending on their PLANNED deployment altitudes ...they did have a plan/known agreement there didn't they?). Looks to me as if there is enough blame to go around between them on this jump, and THANKFULLY something to be LEARNED (ie: not a fatality here)!

So, what were each of their attitudes, subsequent to this jump? I'd be interested in hearing as well from their perspective. Has she cleaned all the crap out of her panties from this one yet, and does each realize what this COULD HAVE (all too easily) BEEN?

YIKES!
-Grant

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[stratostar 5]

yea the panties are clean now
the break off was to be at 4500 we were reaching that point when he hung it out.
the bottom line is there was no track at all and no real wave off, yes they were talked to and are still being talked to.
And NO the photos are NOT photoshopped, I have better things to do with my time !

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[bch7773 0]

christ thats pretty close. post the video!!!

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[JohnMitchell 16]

Thanks for the lesson. We can all use a reminder of what can f#@$ up if you let it. Tell the husband that this is not what his wife meant when she said "I want you to take me out."

[riggerrob 643]

That's scary!

[sducoach 0]

Rob,

This was posted by "D.B. Cooper"?????

Blues,

J.E.

James 4:8

[teason 0]

Been there struck that!

it was 7 yrs ago and we weren't low timers, we were sitflyers.

We can all F*** up, thanks for posting the shots.

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[JustRelax 0]

I had a very similar senario last weekend, when another jumer wizzed passed about 20 feet from me as as he was openning at the time I just ot under canopy.

The issue was about tracking and probably trying freestyle with others under 100 jumps! - perhaps not so smart.

I had been practicing tracking on my own , where I looked under through my feet for other jumpers and direction during the track. I thought I had worked it out.

Then 3 of us jumped together to practice sit flying - somthing we were just new at. I am heavier so I fell below the other 2. When I tracked off, one the others that tracked wasn't watching me and I think tracked over me. So after I opened he streamed past me about 20 feet away.

I think I need to practice tracking on my back also, so that If I am ever lower like this at break off, tracking on my back will enable me to check that I am tracking away from others (defensive driving).

When we are at the same level, a track where I look under my feet should work, but if they are above better to track on my back to stay defensive.

Do you agree with this approach?

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[PhreeZone 20]

>Do you agree with this approach?

A better approach is not to get into that situations to have to do that.

I'll break down what you posted and we can see what should have been changed to make this a non issue.

>I had been practicing tracking on my own , where I looked under through my feet for other jumpers and direction during the track.

Are you tracking up or across jump run? Don't rely on looking at people, look at the ground and always practive tracking at 90 degrees to jump run. figure out what direction the plane is flying and what direction you are going to be tracking in before you leave the plane.

>Then 3 of us jumped together to practice sit flying - somthing we were just new at.

Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

If all three of you are new at it and are having trouble staying on level with each other the group size needs to be reduced and more experience needs to be added to the dive. For freeflying groups of larger then 2 all members of the jump should be able to maintain levels, alter fall rates, turn 360 degrees and smoothly transition to a flat track with out corking. A plan needs decided on before you leave the plane on who is base and who will do the adjusting of fall rate so that you don't have the low person slow down lots just as the high person goes for max speed and collide in the middle. If you are not sure how to slow down safely when you go low, you need to work with an experienced freeflyer to develop those skills on solos before jumping with a group. Freeflying as a group is a lot different then RW jumps as a group. When is the last time you saw a 12 way RW formation plan a dive by saying "Lets all get out and just see what happens!"? Planning is put into RW group jumps and the same needs done on freefly group jumps.

Most people tracking on their back is a really steep dive that does'nt do too much for the horizontal seperation, but continues to add to the vertical seperation that really does'nt help much.

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[linestretch 0]

photoshop

my pics & stuff!

[JustRelax 0]

Yes, when I practice tracking I track 90 degrees to jump run.

The idea of looking under my feet while tracking was suggested by an experienced jumper. It was suggested that when starting a track, looking under your feet is a good way to verify that you are tracking in a good relation to the other RW divers tracks, which after all, is the real issue, isnt it?

Seems like a good defensive strategy.

After checking I presume I will then look back ahead to keep heading and at the ground for orientation and ... as I flatten out I want to be scanning below so that I do not open above another freefaller ... if for any reason they are below. Sound good?

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[JustRelax 0]

>If all three of you are new at it and are having >trouble staying on level with each other the group >size needs to be reduced and more experience >needs to be added to the dive.

Yes. I wond do that again. Previously I did some freestyle training with an experienced jumper, who wasn't with us that day. In hindsight, I should not have agreed to do it.

One thing I have decided is to always do the first jump of the day by myself, because it helps me to orientate myself and get confidence for any other jumps with others.

The example above is another where I need to set my rules and sy to people "I would only want to do on the condition that .

I am finding with skydiving that you have to establish these things clearly for yourself and tell others.

Thank you very much for your comments. I will think and talk it over untill I clearly understand my own rules ... and N, I wont set myself up in a situation like that again.

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Taking risk is part of living well - it's best to learn from other peoples mistakes, rather than your own.

[obelixtim 150]

It does help to have a direction of track pre planned, so if you do lose track of each other you go in the direction previously agreed e.g....towards the city, river, sea, mountain, or whatever ground feature you've agreed on, and everyone must stick to the plan.....

Its the same plan you would follow when jumping with a group at night time.....when seeing someone else isa bit tricky......and you use the same plan when flying around under canopy at night....pre planned sectors or areas to fly.....right down to landing......

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[twnsnd 1]

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he never tracked off, just dumped.

And so did you aparently. Like diablopilot said "problems all around". Cool pictures though.

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[stratostar 5]

cameraman takes the middle! I was flying my slot as
planned! If you all want to start a pissing contest start a new post! I posted to help others learn...

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[hookitt 1]

Blow it off bro. Those are excellent frame grabs. I wish I had pictures of a few close calls I've seen and have been in. Close calls will never go away. We seldom hear about them let alone get them on tape.

Shit happens, and if it doesn't kill us, we learn not to do it again. I'd venture to guess that the moment that occured, the subjects of the video (at least the girl still in freefall) knew exactly what not to do again.

He got scared of the ground approaching and just pulled. She reacted like any one else would have. Probalby with a resounding "EEEK"!!! then "Whew"!!!

I'd fogotten about an incident that happened while coaching at a nearby dropzone several years ago. My old teammate was filming 2 up and coming skydivers. The scenario was very similar. The bottom person pulled and the top guy actually hit the canopy and went right through it. It appeared he exited the nose of the parachute. Miraculously, there was only gear damage and almost no body damage.

Thanks for the pictures. I'm sure your heart pounded pretty hard while watching that unfold.

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[ChileRelleno 0]

Dang'it Boy! Who is Abedesa-Papa?

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[juggalo 1]

the video man did his job! got the action and took the middle. got some great educational shots and no one died. facts are the one deploying screwed up not clearing his air space. I've seen the whole video and talked to all of the parties involved. THe low guy knows he screwed up. BREAK OFF was at the altitude he dumped at !!
break off track wave deploy ALWAYS!
unless you are in the dirt of course for you smart asses.
brew

waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

[shunkka 0]

SCARYY

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