skrovi 0 #1 January 17, 2006 I was wondering if some fellow readers can help me correct my unintentional spins to the right side. I've 15 jumps and on my first coach jump I had problems. In the last few jumps I'm slowly drifting towards right and if not corrected the spin gets faster. I'm right handed, so that being my dominant side I must be doing something that causing me to turn unintentionally to the right. Now I've never gone into an unintentional spin on my left. When the spin speeds up I do all the steps taught such as relax (may be my body is stiff), toe taps to make sure my feet are aligned, arch hard, legs out, and I also give the opposite control input to stop turn, head up and looking at the horizon. I hope I can figure that finer detail that can help me fix it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #2 January 17, 2006 It could be your hips, arms or legs creating this. Relax and get with an AFF-I, not just a USPA coach, and work on this.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NelKel 0 #3 January 17, 2006 OR- get a video of it to an AFFI._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #4 January 17, 2006 No body is perfectly semetrical. So trying to force a perfectly semetrical position is futile. For those with unintentional turns, I find it best to have them maintain firm pressure with your hips, a good effort to hold that "box-man" or "lazy W" arm position, point your toes into the wind.... and let the rest of your body be fluid. You cannot force the wind. The wind will win. You can only go with it. Think of a flag. The cloth flows fluid in the wind and maintains it's direction. If the cloth was a stiff piece of metal it would spin. Just don't let your legs flap like a flag. Constant pressure on those hips down and legs out. Everything else.... fluid. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AFFI 0 #5 January 17, 2006 What kind of training program are you in? If you are still working with an instructor or certified coach they are the people you need to get advice from, there is no better way than to get first hand evaluations. Overall Gravitygirl gives some good basic fundamental ideas. You eveer seen one of those Chinese finger trap things? Ths more you struggle tghter it gets (there is a little hint). Get with your instructors as there are many ways to skin a cat but it is difficult to skin one online One more thing, Get with your instructors ..Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #6 January 17, 2006 Often these problems come from being tooo stiff. Try some stretching and relaxing (tension, release tension, tension ) type exercises . Sometimes the tensioning will give you a different body position to the relaxed position. eg stretching may push your hips into an asymmetrical possy. Moving between the two (tension and relaxation ) in freefall can create difficult control situations where you're always reacting rather than controlling as such. It'll be a lot cheaper to learn about this on the ground. Sometimes backing against a wall and stretching bending sideways can highlight these possibilities. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skrovi 0 #7 January 17, 2006 ***Get with your instructors as there are many ways to skin a cat but it is difficult to skin one online I agree, instructors are the best source to correct the freefall issues, however, I just figured with the wealth of knowledge available online in this forum, might just give it a try as well. I guess being a new skydiver it just feels reassuring to hear the same thing again and again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tso-d_chris 0 #8 January 17, 2006 QuoteI was wondering if some fellow readers can help me correct my unintentional spins to the right side. I've 15 jumps and on my first coach jump I had problems. In the last few jumps I'm slowly drifting towards right and if not corrected the spin gets faster. I'm right handed, so that being my dominant side I must be doing something that causing me to turn unintentionally to the right. Now I've never gone into an unintentional spin on my left. When the spin speeds up I do all the steps taught such as relax (may be my body is stiff), toe taps to make sure my feet are aligned, arch hard, legs out, and I also give the opposite control input to stop turn, head up and looking at the horizon. I hope I can figure that finer detail that can help me fix it. I had the same problem as a student. What finally helped me was relaxing in freefall, and focusing on a point on the horizon to help maintain a heading. Don't forget to check your altimeter. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JeepDiver 0 #9 January 17, 2006 On my 1st release dive with 1 aff instructor soon after I was released I started to go into a slow right-hand spin. I tried to correct it by not relaxing. The spin soon developed into a highspeed totally out of control right-hand spin. My AFF instructor crashed into to me attempting to deploy my pilot chute (unsuccessfully I might add) I beleive he went under me at that point, I maintained altitude awareness throughout my out of control spin, fliped over onto my back, righted myself, was stable and deployed at 6k. I corrected this problem soon after by working on my arch with a stable equal boxman body posistion, relaxing & correcting any drift by countering it in the opposite direction. talk to you instructors prior to the next jump you make about maintaining a stable equal boxman body posistion, relax and enjoy your skydive. I'm new just like you so I only know what worked for me and discuss with your instructors anything you see, hear or read about prior to making a skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skrovi 0 #10 January 17, 2006 ***What kind of training program are you in? If you are still working with an instructor or certified coach they are the people you need to get advice from, there is no better way than to get first hand evaluations. I'm done with my AFF on my 10th Jump, did 3 fun jumps and wanted to work towards my A cert. So coach jumps I guess are towards A certification. MY AFFI coach who jumped on a linked exit did critique by saying be more aggressive and control you body and relax. "Relax" is something I've been hearing again and again. Its just hard not to stiff up when you get into a fast spin. So I'm trying to understand what not to do so that I end up into that unintentional spin position and eventually end up with stiff body which can only worsen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #11 January 17, 2006 I had/have the same problem, . I went to the verticle wind tunnel with my AFFI and that really helped. its amazing what 15 minutes in freefall will do... I still occasionally trun, especially on my trackiung, which i am working on. My suggestion would be to make sure you are arching from the hip, legs are in propper position, *i've had problems with my legs and that casue unstability* .. also, you know how to intentionally turn yet? if you do, maybe try countering your spin be doing a slight left turn? dont take my advice too seriously.. i'm a beginner myself.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Silverchic 0 #12 January 17, 2006 How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kschilk 0 #13 January 25, 2006 I acquired the same ailment on my 8th and supposed final AFF jump. I could turn the other way but I could not remain steady. One instructor stopped me with her hand and said there was absolutely no pressure against her....like there would likely be, if it were body position related. Three separate instructors eyeballed my body position, gear, tried all the toe tapping, relaxing....nothing worked. They decided to video my next (11th) jump so they could continuously replay it, both for my diagnosis and instructor training. The gremlin split....I was rock solid from exit to pull and have been, ever since. Check your gear, I assume you jump student gear and it may be poorly adjusted. If it's off-center or tilted....could be it! We are still guessing about me but I remember turning easier to the right, than left with student gear. With my own better fitting rig, it's like power steering. Both ways! "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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AggieDave 6 #2 January 17, 2006 It could be your hips, arms or legs creating this. Relax and get with an AFF-I, not just a USPA coach, and work on this.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #3 January 17, 2006 OR- get a video of it to an AFFI._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #4 January 17, 2006 No body is perfectly semetrical. So trying to force a perfectly semetrical position is futile. For those with unintentional turns, I find it best to have them maintain firm pressure with your hips, a good effort to hold that "box-man" or "lazy W" arm position, point your toes into the wind.... and let the rest of your body be fluid. You cannot force the wind. The wind will win. You can only go with it. Think of a flag. The cloth flows fluid in the wind and maintains it's direction. If the cloth was a stiff piece of metal it would spin. Just don't let your legs flap like a flag. Constant pressure on those hips down and legs out. Everything else.... fluid. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #5 January 17, 2006 What kind of training program are you in? If you are still working with an instructor or certified coach they are the people you need to get advice from, there is no better way than to get first hand evaluations. Overall Gravitygirl gives some good basic fundamental ideas. You eveer seen one of those Chinese finger trap things? Ths more you struggle tghter it gets (there is a little hint). Get with your instructors as there are many ways to skin a cat but it is difficult to skin one online One more thing, Get with your instructors ..Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #6 January 17, 2006 Often these problems come from being tooo stiff. Try some stretching and relaxing (tension, release tension, tension ) type exercises . Sometimes the tensioning will give you a different body position to the relaxed position. eg stretching may push your hips into an asymmetrical possy. Moving between the two (tension and relaxation ) in freefall can create difficult control situations where you're always reacting rather than controlling as such. It'll be a lot cheaper to learn about this on the ground. Sometimes backing against a wall and stretching bending sideways can highlight these possibilities. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skrovi 0 #7 January 17, 2006 ***Get with your instructors as there are many ways to skin a cat but it is difficult to skin one online I agree, instructors are the best source to correct the freefall issues, however, I just figured with the wealth of knowledge available online in this forum, might just give it a try as well. I guess being a new skydiver it just feels reassuring to hear the same thing again and again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #8 January 17, 2006 QuoteI was wondering if some fellow readers can help me correct my unintentional spins to the right side. I've 15 jumps and on my first coach jump I had problems. In the last few jumps I'm slowly drifting towards right and if not corrected the spin gets faster. I'm right handed, so that being my dominant side I must be doing something that causing me to turn unintentionally to the right. Now I've never gone into an unintentional spin on my left. When the spin speeds up I do all the steps taught such as relax (may be my body is stiff), toe taps to make sure my feet are aligned, arch hard, legs out, and I also give the opposite control input to stop turn, head up and looking at the horizon. I hope I can figure that finer detail that can help me fix it. I had the same problem as a student. What finally helped me was relaxing in freefall, and focusing on a point on the horizon to help maintain a heading. Don't forget to check your altimeter. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeepDiver 0 #9 January 17, 2006 On my 1st release dive with 1 aff instructor soon after I was released I started to go into a slow right-hand spin. I tried to correct it by not relaxing. The spin soon developed into a highspeed totally out of control right-hand spin. My AFF instructor crashed into to me attempting to deploy my pilot chute (unsuccessfully I might add) I beleive he went under me at that point, I maintained altitude awareness throughout my out of control spin, fliped over onto my back, righted myself, was stable and deployed at 6k. I corrected this problem soon after by working on my arch with a stable equal boxman body posistion, relaxing & correcting any drift by countering it in the opposite direction. talk to you instructors prior to the next jump you make about maintaining a stable equal boxman body posistion, relax and enjoy your skydive. I'm new just like you so I only know what worked for me and discuss with your instructors anything you see, hear or read about prior to making a skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skrovi 0 #10 January 17, 2006 ***What kind of training program are you in? If you are still working with an instructor or certified coach they are the people you need to get advice from, there is no better way than to get first hand evaluations. I'm done with my AFF on my 10th Jump, did 3 fun jumps and wanted to work towards my A cert. So coach jumps I guess are towards A certification. MY AFFI coach who jumped on a linked exit did critique by saying be more aggressive and control you body and relax. "Relax" is something I've been hearing again and again. Its just hard not to stiff up when you get into a fast spin. So I'm trying to understand what not to do so that I end up into that unintentional spin position and eventually end up with stiff body which can only worsen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #11 January 17, 2006 I had/have the same problem, . I went to the verticle wind tunnel with my AFFI and that really helped. its amazing what 15 minutes in freefall will do... I still occasionally trun, especially on my trackiung, which i am working on. My suggestion would be to make sure you are arching from the hip, legs are in propper position, *i've had problems with my legs and that casue unstability* .. also, you know how to intentionally turn yet? if you do, maybe try countering your spin be doing a slight left turn? dont take my advice too seriously.. i'm a beginner myself.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Silverchic 0 #12 January 17, 2006 How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kschilk 0 #13 January 25, 2006 I acquired the same ailment on my 8th and supposed final AFF jump. I could turn the other way but I could not remain steady. One instructor stopped me with her hand and said there was absolutely no pressure against her....like there would likely be, if it were body position related. Three separate instructors eyeballed my body position, gear, tried all the toe tapping, relaxing....nothing worked. They decided to video my next (11th) jump so they could continuously replay it, both for my diagnosis and instructor training. The gremlin split....I was rock solid from exit to pull and have been, ever since. Check your gear, I assume you jump student gear and it may be poorly adjusted. If it's off-center or tilted....could be it! We are still guessing about me but I remember turning easier to the right, than left with student gear. With my own better fitting rig, it's like power steering. Both ways! "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skrovi 0 #10 January 17, 2006 ***What kind of training program are you in? If you are still working with an instructor or certified coach they are the people you need to get advice from, there is no better way than to get first hand evaluations. I'm done with my AFF on my 10th Jump, did 3 fun jumps and wanted to work towards my A cert. So coach jumps I guess are towards A certification. MY AFFI coach who jumped on a linked exit did critique by saying be more aggressive and control you body and relax. "Relax" is something I've been hearing again and again. Its just hard not to stiff up when you get into a fast spin. So I'm trying to understand what not to do so that I end up into that unintentional spin position and eventually end up with stiff body which can only worsen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #11 January 17, 2006 I had/have the same problem, . I went to the verticle wind tunnel with my AFFI and that really helped. its amazing what 15 minutes in freefall will do... I still occasionally trun, especially on my trackiung, which i am working on. My suggestion would be to make sure you are arching from the hip, legs are in propper position, *i've had problems with my legs and that casue unstability* .. also, you know how to intentionally turn yet? if you do, maybe try countering your spin be doing a slight left turn? dont take my advice too seriously.. i'm a beginner myself.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverchic 0 #12 January 17, 2006 How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #13 January 25, 2006 I acquired the same ailment on my 8th and supposed final AFF jump. I could turn the other way but I could not remain steady. One instructor stopped me with her hand and said there was absolutely no pressure against her....like there would likely be, if it were body position related. Three separate instructors eyeballed my body position, gear, tried all the toe tapping, relaxing....nothing worked. They decided to video my next (11th) jump so they could continuously replay it, both for my diagnosis and instructor training. The gremlin split....I was rock solid from exit to pull and have been, ever since. Check your gear, I assume you jump student gear and it may be poorly adjusted. If it's off-center or tilted....could be it! We are still guessing about me but I remember turning easier to the right, than left with student gear. With my own better fitting rig, it's like power steering. Both ways! "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
