mattmais 0 #1 December 25, 2005 how any jumps did you get to w/o a malfunction...what kind of pack jobs did u use??? 800 (+ a few thousand student rigs) for me... all Flat packing including.....several on new yearss eve...... cramming the main crop into the D-bag!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #2 December 25, 2005 Check this thread, titled "Highest number of jumps prior to FIRST reserve ride?" here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1499051#1499051 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #3 December 25, 2005 Quotehow any jumps did you get to w/o a malfunction...what kind of pack jobs did u use??? 800 (+ a few thousand student rigs) for me... all Flat packing including.....several on new yearss eve...... cramming the main crop into the D-bag!!!!! Just out of curiosity, why don't you pro-pack or psycho-pack? (I'm assuming flat packing is the same as side-packing, laying the canopy on it's side, so that when it opens you have a 45 degree turn?) I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybeergodd 0 #4 December 25, 2005 Kim Tucker from the Greenville Club has about 6000 jumps and has never had a malfunction...Also got his gold wings before square mains Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattmais 0 #5 December 25, 2005 i took a break from skydiving,,,,,,,,, most of the guys/gals before i quit were flat packing. When Flat packing , one lays the canopy on the side...and no, it never oppened off heading,,,,,kind of steered the opening by moving the body in the harness.... Havent used propacking.....since just getting back into the sport.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #6 December 25, 2005 Quotei took a break from skydiving,,,,,,,,, most of the guys/gals before i quit were flat packing. When Flat packing , one lays the canopy on the side...and no, it never oppened off heading,,,,,kind of steered the opening by moving the body in the harness.... Havent used propacking.....since just getting back into the sport.. gotcha... thanks. that's how I was taught to pack too... after getting back into the sport in a month or two (with brand new gear !), I'm looking forward (NOT) to learning how to pro or psycho packing. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcord4 0 #7 December 25, 2005 QuoteKim Tucker from the Greenville Club has about 6000 jumps and has never had a malfunction...Also got his gold wings before square mains Gold wings before squares is nothing special. There's a lot of us old farts out here yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peckerhead 0 #8 December 25, 2005 I had 8 reserve rides my first 1000 jumps. I haven't had one since 1991 (almost 1400 jumps) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites azureriders 0 #9 December 25, 2005 Dont mean to high jack this thread but it seems to me that flat packing has a bad rep on here and amoung several up Jumpers that I have met. However, some things I have heard from other sources about flat packing: 1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over 2) It is going to open, maybe a little squirely, but it is going to open 3) The golden nights flat pack every thing they jump 4) P.R.O. = Prepare for Reserve Opening I know none of these to be facts and #4 was told to me by someone who claimed that is what he would say shortly after pro packing started to be used and there were problems with it, now he is ok with it but still prefers flat packing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #10 December 25, 2005 QuoteHowever, some things I have heard from other sources about flat packing: 1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over 2) It is going to open, maybe a little squirely, but it is going to open 3) The golden nights flat pack every thing they jump 4) P.R.O. = Prepare for Reserve Opening I know none of these to be facts and #4 was told to me by someone who claimed that is what he would say shortly after pro packing started to be used and there were problems with it, now he is ok with it but still prefers flat packing I'd consider #1 to be a fact. #2... well, there are no guarantees; flat packed mains malfunction too. Don't know about #3. And I heard #4 about 15 years ago from the guy who taught me to skydive. He believed it. Would not let us propack any of the student or tandem canopies, period. Back to the topic - I'm still waiting for my first cutaway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites J_Cook 0 #11 December 25, 2005 Had a mal my first jump, no reserve ride though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyinseivLP2 0 #12 December 25, 2005 I'm the opposite of peckerhead. 1000 jumps no cutaways. I just made it as my first was at 1001. Then I have had 8 total in my last 1700+ jumps. Many of these I didn't pack myself, 3 were tandems.I did pack one for Skinnyshrek once though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 December 25, 2005 Quote1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over I'd consider #1 to be a fact. Can someone explain why? I'm always interested in avoiding potential line overs.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #3 December 25, 2005 Quotehow any jumps did you get to w/o a malfunction...what kind of pack jobs did u use??? 800 (+ a few thousand student rigs) for me... all Flat packing including.....several on new yearss eve...... cramming the main crop into the D-bag!!!!! Just out of curiosity, why don't you pro-pack or psycho-pack? (I'm assuming flat packing is the same as side-packing, laying the canopy on it's side, so that when it opens you have a 45 degree turn?) I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybeergodd 0 #4 December 25, 2005 Kim Tucker from the Greenville Club has about 6000 jumps and has never had a malfunction...Also got his gold wings before square mains Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattmais 0 #5 December 25, 2005 i took a break from skydiving,,,,,,,,, most of the guys/gals before i quit were flat packing. When Flat packing , one lays the canopy on the side...and no, it never oppened off heading,,,,,kind of steered the opening by moving the body in the harness.... Havent used propacking.....since just getting back into the sport.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #6 December 25, 2005 Quotei took a break from skydiving,,,,,,,,, most of the guys/gals before i quit were flat packing. When Flat packing , one lays the canopy on the side...and no, it never oppened off heading,,,,,kind of steered the opening by moving the body in the harness.... Havent used propacking.....since just getting back into the sport.. gotcha... thanks. that's how I was taught to pack too... after getting back into the sport in a month or two (with brand new gear !), I'm looking forward (NOT) to learning how to pro or psycho packing. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #7 December 25, 2005 QuoteKim Tucker from the Greenville Club has about 6000 jumps and has never had a malfunction...Also got his gold wings before square mains Gold wings before squares is nothing special. There's a lot of us old farts out here yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #8 December 25, 2005 I had 8 reserve rides my first 1000 jumps. I haven't had one since 1991 (almost 1400 jumps) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #9 December 25, 2005 Dont mean to high jack this thread but it seems to me that flat packing has a bad rep on here and amoung several up Jumpers that I have met. However, some things I have heard from other sources about flat packing: 1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over 2) It is going to open, maybe a little squirely, but it is going to open 3) The golden nights flat pack every thing they jump 4) P.R.O. = Prepare for Reserve Opening I know none of these to be facts and #4 was told to me by someone who claimed that is what he would say shortly after pro packing started to be used and there were problems with it, now he is ok with it but still prefers flat packing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 December 25, 2005 QuoteHowever, some things I have heard from other sources about flat packing: 1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over 2) It is going to open, maybe a little squirely, but it is going to open 3) The golden nights flat pack every thing they jump 4) P.R.O. = Prepare for Reserve Opening I know none of these to be facts and #4 was told to me by someone who claimed that is what he would say shortly after pro packing started to be used and there were problems with it, now he is ok with it but still prefers flat packing I'd consider #1 to be a fact. #2... well, there are no guarantees; flat packed mains malfunction too. Don't know about #3. And I heard #4 about 15 years ago from the guy who taught me to skydive. He believed it. Would not let us propack any of the student or tandem canopies, period. Back to the topic - I'm still waiting for my first cutaway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J_Cook 0 #11 December 25, 2005 Had a mal my first jump, no reserve ride though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #12 December 25, 2005 I'm the opposite of peckerhead. 1000 jumps no cutaways. I just made it as my first was at 1001. Then I have had 8 total in my last 1700+ jumps. Many of these I didn't pack myself, 3 were tandems.I did pack one for Skinnyshrek once though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #13 December 25, 2005 Quote1) It is virtualy impossible to pack a line over I'd consider #1 to be a fact. Can someone explain why? I'm always interested in avoiding potential line overs.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #14 December 25, 2005 QuoteCan someone explain why? I'm always interested in avoiding potential line overs. Y'know, now that you've made me think about it, I was respouting what I was told by others years ago, and should be smacked repeatedly with a wet noodle for doing so. How about this instead - You're less likely to pack a line over when flat packing than when propacking as it's easier to keep control of the steering lines while flaking the tail, but you can still pack a line over regardless of which method you use if lines are not kept together in the "channel" while cocooning the canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #15 December 25, 2005 In my experience line overs on squares were unheard of before pro packing became popular. Possible maybe, but extremely rare. I have been psycho packing the last 200 junps with no malfunctions. The previous 1200 jumps were flat packing with no malfunctions. I still think flat packing is neater and you get better openings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #16 December 25, 2005 I haven't had a mal in over 2000 jumps. Last one was under a 28" cheapo. jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #17 December 25, 2005 A friend of mine made it to a little over 2500 before his first chop recently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodpecker 0 #18 December 26, 2005 Still havent had a mal.SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #19 December 26, 2005 It is said that one of the packers at my DZ packed over 10,000 packs before one, about 3 yrs ago, malfunctioned. To this date that is still the only one he has packed. This might not be that rare among packers, but I thought it was impresive The guy can pack mine anyday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1888 0 #20 December 26, 2005 2,800 without a res ride. 300 of those on rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #21 December 27, 2005 The GK's are PRO packing a lot these days. They still tend flat pack thier Demonstrator and Accuracy rigs though.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #22 December 27, 2005 My first was #822. I've gone as many as 1100 jumps inbetween malfunctions. I've also had 3 in 2 weeks Skydive Radio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #23 December 27, 2005 I've had one mal in 1220 jumps. It was on jump #401. Tension knot and severe line twists. Have been anal about making my line stows as neat as possible since then, and it helps that Mullins don't offer those $99 boogie til ya pukes anymore so I force myself to make the extra time packing it neatly... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 0 #24 December 27, 2005 3 in 5730 jumps. The last one i warned the 4 way team I was shooting that i was having wierd feelings of a mal so track long and hard. It happened 2 jumps later. Could'nt tell you why i had the notion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
