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2-out situation at Perris

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There was a situation at the big-way camp at Perris last weekend where a jumper ended up with 2 canopies out. The initial reaction on the ground was “Cypres fire”, but it turned out to be something more unusual. The reserve closing loop broke after she had deployed her main and released the brakes. After the rigger inspected the container, it was determined that a sharp edge on the reserve grommet had (probably) cut the loop.

The 2 canopies deployed in a biplane configuration with the main in front. Since the main was in front, the jumper did not cut it away. She steered towards the landing area using her main toggles to make small turns, allowing the reserve to “catch up” to the main’s turn before turning any further. A canopy manufacturer’s rep was on site, and said that in test jumps he had done with 2 canopies out, he experienced similar behavior with the reserve following the main when small turns were made.

Kudos to the jumper for her handling of a dangerous situation, and to Kate, Dan B.C., Tony, and Larry for ensuring that the people who had reserve rides (4 total) had other rigs to jump so they didn’t miss any of the camp’s jumps.
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people who had reserve rides (4 total) had other rigs to jump



4 reserve rides? Why so many?



That was 4 reserves out of 1600 jumps, all on larger formations. That's not all that bad.
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people who had reserve rides (4 total) had other rigs to jump



4 reserve rides? Why so many?



That was 4 reserves out of 1600 jumps, all on larger formations. That's not all that bad.
Sparky



I can't believe I'm about to mess with my good juju but 4 out of 1600 is pretty high when I'm sitting at 1 in 2600 including tandems and even military freefall where my rigs are packed by non-jumpers.

Please let my juju stay good.

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military freefall where my rigs are packed by non-jumpers



Just an aside...

What is the deal with military packers over there?

In Oz, army riggers have to be volunteers for parachuting too....
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When are you making your next jump, I want to watch it.B|

One was a broken reserve loop,one was lost pud at hard deck, one was broken lines and am not sure what the last one was. The first three were not related to packing of the main.
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military freefall where my rigs are packed by non-jumpers



Just an aside...

What is the deal with military packers over there?

In Oz, army riggers have to be volunteers for parachuting too....



In the USAF you do not have to be jump qualified to be a parachute rigger. It sound stupid to me also.

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When are you making your next jump, I want to watch it.B|

One was a broken reserve loop,one was lost pud at hard deck, one was broken lines and am not sure what the last one was. The first three were not related to packing of the main.
Sparky



The next jump will be this weekend, hopefully. IMO all the situations above still violate one or more of the 3 basic causes for malfunction (poor packing, poor maintenance, poor body position) and I might add poor design but without know all the facts (equipment, type of jump, etc.), I won't further comment. Just my thoughts.....

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and I might add poor design but without know all the facts (equipment, type of jump, etc.), I won't further comment. Just my thoughts.....



You made the first calls without all the facts.
The one was a broken reserve loop after the main was open for some time, hardly the jumpers fault. One was a problem with the a canopy with only 80 jumps, has been returned to the manufacture. The lost pud was a good call by the jumper. imo
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What is the deal with military packers over there?

In Oz, army riggers have to be volunteers for parachuting too....



In the USAF you do not have to be jump qualified to be a parachute rigger. It sound stupid to me also.

Tim T.
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Parachute riggers in the Canadian Army have to be jump qualified, Canadian Air Force riggers are not. Something about the difference in cost ....
It only costs a few thousand dollars to warm up a C-130 jump plane, but a few million to fire an ejection seat.
Oh, and the last time Canadian Air Force Search and Rescue Technicians came to play at our civilian DZ, they brought their Army rigger.

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One was a broken reserve loop,one was lost pud at hard deck, one was broken lines and am not sure what the last one was. The first three were not related to packing of the main.
Sparky



The last one was a line over and the jumper was using a packer. The packer was more bothered by it than the jumper.
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and I might add poor design but without know all the facts (equipment, type of jump, etc.), I won't further comment. Just my thoughts.....



You made the first calls without all the facts.
The one was a broken reserve loop after the main was open for some time, hardly the jumpers fault. One was a problem with the a canopy with only 80 jumps, has been returned to the manufacture. The lost pud was a good call by the jumper. imo
Sparky



Mark,
Don't put words in my mouth. I stated that 4 reserve rides in 1600 seemed high and that the malfunctions all seem attributable to the 3 (or 4 - design) basic causes. Here's my thought process:
Broken Reserve Loop - Maintenance
Problem w/ canopy - Design
Floating pud - Packing? Design? Maintenance?
Line Over - Packing

I said I wouldn't hazard a guess on attributing to design without knowing all the facts - as they pertain to design. The rest is easy to surmise.

Tim T.

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