Superman32 0 #1 November 16, 2005 Are there any problems with freeflying a rig that has one of those orange hard tubes hackey? Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #2 November 16, 2005 QuoteAre there any problems with freeflying a rig that has one of those orange hard tubes hackey? Not that I know of. It may actually be better for it than a hackey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #3 November 16, 2005 They're fine, why would you think otherwise? Surely if anything they're better since lie more flush to the bottom of the container; i'm sure there are other pros and cons too Just my thoughts, i'm sure somone will correct me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dougiefresh 0 #4 November 16, 2005 Just be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #5 November 16, 2005 It's all I use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy_Copland 0 #6 November 16, 2005 It sounds so silly how that could even happen but it has crossed my mind when feeling for it on the lift.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #7 November 16, 2005 QuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. Never put your finger in a space you may not be able to get it out of. I prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflyingPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #8 November 16, 2005 QuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #9 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve. *** Always use liberal amounts of lubricant when 'pulling' Billy! YOU KNOW THAT! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #10 November 16, 2005 QuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflying I would think surface area (ability to create drag) has MUCH more of an effect on the likelihood of a handle to come out when you don't want it to. In fact, I'm not sure I can see how mass has anything to do with it... (?) Anybody else comment on this?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tso-d_chris 0 #11 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflying I would think surface area (ability to create drag) has MUCH more of an effect on the likelihood of a handle to come out when you don't want it to. In fact, I'm not sure I can see how mass has anything to do with it... (?) Anybody else comment on this? If the wind sets it in motion, a higher mass object is going to have more momentum, and this increases the likelihood of pulling the PC out of the pouch. I think packing the PC so that the handle is snug against the container, "orange tube thing," hackey, or any other handle, is best. If my hackey can bounce around, I have either improperly packed and stowed it, or my BOC needs replaced. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #12 November 16, 2005 I think the mass would cancel itself out in the equations. f=ma represents how hard the hackey would pull on the PC, so more mass means more force. But a=f/m, so the wind would have less effect on the more massive object. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #13 November 16, 2005 QuoteIf the wind sets it in motion, a higher mass object is going to have more momentum, and this increases the likelihood of pulling the PC out of the pouch. On the flipside, the higher inertia will offer more resistance against being "set into motion." QuoteI think packing the PC so that the handle is snug against the container, "orange tube thing," hackey, or any other handle, is best. If my hackey can bounce around, I have either improperly packed and stowed it, or my BOC needs replaced. Agreed.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tso-d_chris 0 #14 November 16, 2005 QuoteOn the flipside, the higher inertia will offer more resistance against being "set into motion." True. Except the attachment point is such that the relative wind has more leverage to move it. I think PC stowage plays a bigger role in premature deployments than handle choice. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #15 November 17, 2005 QuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, A real hacky sack used for kicking around is heavy, but the type used for handles are very light. edit - Don't forget to check your tube handle for sharp edges that cut into the webbing.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HydroGuy 0 #16 November 17, 2005 Get a freefly pud handle...solves all these problemsGet in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CloudOnMyTongue 0 #17 November 17, 2005 I have one of those, and mine is orange too. I like it better than a hackey, it doesn't slip around and it's easy to grab onto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #18 November 17, 2005 I find the hard, irregular shape of the pipe can be easier to feel in gloves than the soft, teardrop / spherical / baseball-stitch-shaped hacky. However, I don't like the way the irregular shape can present a different shape to my grabbing hand every time. When it comes to pull time, I like consistency! I went with the hacky because the cool kids use it, it works well enough for me, and overall I like it. Pipe's fine too. I'll even jump a small monkey's fist if that's what's connected. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Superman32 0 #19 November 17, 2005 QuoteGet a freefly pud handle...solves all these problems I'm going to get a freefly pud, but since the orange tube doesn't pose a danger, it doesn't have to be an immediate purchase Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belladonna 0 #20 November 17, 2005 I have been warned against the pud by my rigger. It seems that there's more chance for something to go wrong. As a fellow Low-timer, I'd say talk to your rigger or available dz safety people if you're considering the pud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #21 November 17, 2005 I can still remember, in 1974, rummaging through a bin of discarded plastic pieces at Miami Plastics looking for something I could use as a temporary handle for my new hand deploy pilot chute. I found a couple of one foot long orange plastic wands used to direct airplanes to the gates at Miami International Airport, and thought; "If I cut these into one inch pieces, it'll probably do for a while, until I can think of something better. I think it's great that 30 years later, someone is still arguing if anything is better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vectracide 0 #22 November 17, 2005 QuoteGet a freefly pud handle...solves all these problems Dude, no single system or component does not come with its own set of considerations. The only thing a freefly pud handle solves is not getting your finger stuck in a hole. If you need any more evidence that a freefly pud can cause issues check out the second mal on this video: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=guestpass&id=h37h5 ------------------------------ Controlled and Deliberate..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ScottyInAus 0 #23 November 17, 2005 QuoteWhen it comes to pull time, I like consistency! Apparently the Golf Ball is the most recognizable shape/object... Just food for thought Cheers, Jason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #24 November 17, 2005 I once saw a rig that had a plastic Homer Simpson head at the apex of the pilot chute. Thought it was pretty cool My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #25 November 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve. Wow! Goes to show you what you never think of as an issue... has presented itself to other as one several times before. Out of curiosity, with what would you fill it? (dear liza dear liza) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Dougiefresh 0 #4 November 16, 2005 Just be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #5 November 16, 2005 It's all I use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #6 November 16, 2005 It sounds so silly how that could even happen but it has crossed my mind when feeling for it on the lift.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #7 November 16, 2005 QuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. Never put your finger in a space you may not be able to get it out of. I prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflyingPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #8 November 16, 2005 QuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #9 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve. *** Always use liberal amounts of lubricant when 'pulling' Billy! YOU KNOW THAT! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #10 November 16, 2005 QuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflying I would think surface area (ability to create drag) has MUCH more of an effect on the likelihood of a handle to come out when you don't want it to. In fact, I'm not sure I can see how mass has anything to do with it... (?) Anybody else comment on this?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #11 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, which (if sitting ouside the profile of the rig) can more easily extract the pilot chute if it catches air, especially at the speeds achieved during freeflying I would think surface area (ability to create drag) has MUCH more of an effect on the likelihood of a handle to come out when you don't want it to. In fact, I'm not sure I can see how mass has anything to do with it... (?) Anybody else comment on this? If the wind sets it in motion, a higher mass object is going to have more momentum, and this increases the likelihood of pulling the PC out of the pouch. I think packing the PC so that the handle is snug against the container, "orange tube thing," hackey, or any other handle, is best. If my hackey can bounce around, I have either improperly packed and stowed it, or my BOC needs replaced. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 November 16, 2005 I think the mass would cancel itself out in the equations. f=ma represents how hard the hackey would pull on the PC, so more mass means more force. But a=f/m, so the wind would have less effect on the more massive object. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #13 November 16, 2005 QuoteIf the wind sets it in motion, a higher mass object is going to have more momentum, and this increases the likelihood of pulling the PC out of the pouch. On the flipside, the higher inertia will offer more resistance against being "set into motion." QuoteI think packing the PC so that the handle is snug against the container, "orange tube thing," hackey, or any other handle, is best. If my hackey can bounce around, I have either improperly packed and stowed it, or my BOC needs replaced. Agreed.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #14 November 16, 2005 QuoteOn the flipside, the higher inertia will offer more resistance against being "set into motion." True. Except the attachment point is such that the relative wind has more leverage to move it. I think PC stowage plays a bigger role in premature deployments than handle choice. For Great Deals on Gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #15 November 17, 2005 QuoteI prefer the tube because it has way less mass than a hackey, A real hacky sack used for kicking around is heavy, but the type used for handles are very light. edit - Don't forget to check your tube handle for sharp edges that cut into the webbing.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HydroGuy 0 #16 November 17, 2005 Get a freefly pud handle...solves all these problemsGet in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudOnMyTongue 0 #17 November 17, 2005 I have one of those, and mine is orange too. I like it better than a hackey, it doesn't slip around and it's easy to grab onto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #18 November 17, 2005 I find the hard, irregular shape of the pipe can be easier to feel in gloves than the soft, teardrop / spherical / baseball-stitch-shaped hacky. However, I don't like the way the irregular shape can present a different shape to my grabbing hand every time. When it comes to pull time, I like consistency! I went with the hacky because the cool kids use it, it works well enough for me, and overall I like it. Pipe's fine too. I'll even jump a small monkey's fist if that's what's connected. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #19 November 17, 2005 QuoteGet a freefly pud handle...solves all these problems I'm going to get a freefly pud, but since the orange tube doesn't pose a danger, it doesn't have to be an immediate purchase Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna 0 #20 November 17, 2005 I have been warned against the pud by my rigger. It seems that there's more chance for something to go wrong. As a fellow Low-timer, I'd say talk to your rigger or available dz safety people if you're considering the pud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #21 November 17, 2005 I can still remember, in 1974, rummaging through a bin of discarded plastic pieces at Miami Plastics looking for something I could use as a temporary handle for my new hand deploy pilot chute. I found a couple of one foot long orange plastic wands used to direct airplanes to the gates at Miami International Airport, and thought; "If I cut these into one inch pieces, it'll probably do for a while, until I can think of something better. I think it's great that 30 years later, someone is still arguing if anything is better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vectracide 0 #22 November 17, 2005 QuoteGet a freefly pud handle...solves all these problems Dude, no single system or component does not come with its own set of considerations. The only thing a freefly pud handle solves is not getting your finger stuck in a hole. If you need any more evidence that a freefly pud can cause issues check out the second mal on this video: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=guestpass&id=h37h5 ------------------------------ Controlled and Deliberate..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottyInAus 0 #23 November 17, 2005 QuoteWhen it comes to pull time, I like consistency! Apparently the Golf Ball is the most recognizable shape/object... Just food for thought Cheers, Jason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #24 November 17, 2005 I once saw a rig that had a plastic Homer Simpson head at the apex of the pilot chute. Thought it was pretty cool My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #25 November 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust be sure to fill the tube with something so you don't get a finger stuck. I know someone this happened to. She cleared it before it became a problem, but that right there is some scary shit. This happened to a guy at my home DZ a couple years ago. He couldn't get his finger freed so he popped his reserve. Wow! Goes to show you what you never think of as an issue... has presented itself to other as one several times before. Out of curiosity, with what would you fill it? (dear liza dear liza) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
