catfishhunter 2 #51 October 5, 2005 Hmmm south africa huh? My Daughter wants to jump really really bad... so 6 is ok there? I wonder if my ex would let me take her out of the country... Yes I am joking MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #53 October 6, 2005 If anyone threatened me with a lawyer - that early in a conversation - I would refuse to do business with him PERIOD! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #54 October 6, 2005 QuoteIf I were not regulated as to what the minimum age passenger I could take, my simple answer would be that I would gladly take ANY passenger large enough to fill my student harness securely at it's tightest settings. Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck, We are going to have to be gentlemen and respectfully disagree on this issue. Been there, done that (twice), got the t-shirt, didn't much enjoy it the second time and vowed to never do it again. Back in 1987 - when rules were vague - I did tandem jumps with two 13-year-old girls in Strassburg, France. The first girl was big for her age and athletic. Her mother, uncle and aunt all did tandem jumps that afternoon. She did great and we both enjoyed the skydive. My second 13-year-old tandem student was the exact opposite. She was pressured into it by her fat, obnoxious, alcoholic, retired-paratrooper father. She was small for her age, so small that we had to crank all the straps to the stops to prevent her from falling out of the harness. At pull time she had a death grip on my left thumb. It is amazing how strong little girls get when they are scared! It was more luck than management that I got my left hand free at a reasonable altitude. Remember that Vector I tandems had only one drogue release on the lower left corner and this was long before Cypres was invented. I eventually got my left hand free to pull the drogue release, but the jump scared me so badly that I vowed never to jump with another 13-year-old. riggerrob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #55 October 6, 2005 My memory may be a little dim these days since it's 30 years later and I left Booth's shop before the tandom was actually jumped, but it seems to me the first 8 passengers were all under age. I believe that was the point of the new harness in the first place.... As for the original post, I would have handled it the same way (maybe not as quick witted though). ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #56 October 8, 2005 QuoteBeverly, South Africa has tse tse flies. The US has [plaintiff's] lawyers. That's the difference. No need to get nasty. We are not that primitive as you think. We are just not that anal about making money through lawyers as Americans are. It seems that the states is the only place that has an age limit. From the thread, NZ through to France has jumped young kids and have harnesses especially fit for them. I think that the kids do definately have an understanding about the dangers and risks involved, but the parents have more fear of something going wrong. How many times have you seen a parent stop a child from doing something basic and saying "you will hurt yourself!" Instilling fear into the kids. It is the skateboard death, the bicycle accident, the car crash. We cannot put the kids in a plastic bubble and protect them from everything, as much as every parent wants to. But if the kid has said they want to do it, why would they sue their parents? I fully understand if a parent has bullied the kid, but not if they have specifically requested to do it. We don't let adult SL or AFF people jump if they are being coerced into it by a partner, husband, wife, girlfriend, mother, dad etc......... Anyway, we let them jump and they love it. We have not had an incident yet (Touch wood) I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff.Donohue 0 #57 October 10, 2005 Oh, I wasn't trying to be nasty -- as a lawyer, I think I'd prefer tse tse fly infestations to lawyer infestations... Tse tse flies give you malaria and all, but with lawyers, it's much, much worse... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Skygirl 0 #58 October 10, 2005 This summer in Empuria, there were 2 kids that went to Empuria as well (the younger brothers of the couple that came with us) and they did a tandem. They were 12 anr 13 years old and the instructor said that kids generally spoken act very natural. Of course... he has got stories as well from skydiving parents that absolutely wanted their kids to do a tandem... and they were terrified at the door and grabed everything they could. In those cases the JM don't jumps. The 2 kids that came along at our holiday wanted to jump... and it was not the idea of their sister and skydiving husband... they just wanted to do it and at the end they finally got what they wanted. Their parents sent a fax to the dz to give their permission and the kids were very very very happy.------------------------------------------------- No dive, like skydive... wanna bet on it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beverly 1 #59 October 10, 2005 QuoteOh, I wasn't trying to be nasty -- as a lawyer, I think I'd prefer tse tse fly infestations to lawyer infestations... Tse tse flies give you malaria and all, but with lawyers, it's much, much worse... Come to think of it, I have never seen a tse tse fly. Have you? I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeff.Donohue 0 #60 October 10, 2005 I think they're more equatorial, actually. I think they dig the hotter weather. I just couldn't come up with a South African pest/hazard that would have been equivalent to a U.S. plaintiff's lawyer... Maybe you need to import some really nasty creatures to even out the balance... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beverly 1 #61 October 11, 2005 ha ha! I don't think there is one! Ok, Maybe a minibus Taxi Driver in peak hour traffic. To import a pest - Tempting.....But NO! Read the thread in Bonfire on Learning Afrikaans for some more tips on SA! I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Belgian_Skygirl 0 #58 October 10, 2005 This summer in Empuria, there were 2 kids that went to Empuria as well (the younger brothers of the couple that came with us) and they did a tandem. They were 12 anr 13 years old and the instructor said that kids generally spoken act very natural. Of course... he has got stories as well from skydiving parents that absolutely wanted their kids to do a tandem... and they were terrified at the door and grabed everything they could. In those cases the JM don't jumps. The 2 kids that came along at our holiday wanted to jump... and it was not the idea of their sister and skydiving husband... they just wanted to do it and at the end they finally got what they wanted. Their parents sent a fax to the dz to give their permission and the kids were very very very happy.------------------------------------------------- No dive, like skydive... wanna bet on it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #59 October 10, 2005 QuoteOh, I wasn't trying to be nasty -- as a lawyer, I think I'd prefer tse tse fly infestations to lawyer infestations... Tse tse flies give you malaria and all, but with lawyers, it's much, much worse... Come to think of it, I have never seen a tse tse fly. Have you? I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff.Donohue 0 #60 October 10, 2005 I think they're more equatorial, actually. I think they dig the hotter weather. I just couldn't come up with a South African pest/hazard that would have been equivalent to a U.S. plaintiff's lawyer... Maybe you need to import some really nasty creatures to even out the balance... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beverly 1 #61 October 11, 2005 ha ha! I don't think there is one! Ok, Maybe a minibus Taxi Driver in peak hour traffic. To import a pest - Tempting.....But NO! Read the thread in Bonfire on Learning Afrikaans for some more tips on SA! I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Beverly 1 #61 October 11, 2005 ha ha! I don't think there is one! Ok, Maybe a minibus Taxi Driver in peak hour traffic. To import a pest - Tempting.....But NO! Read the thread in Bonfire on Learning Afrikaans for some more tips on SA! I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
