pilotdave 0 #51 September 9, 2005 So unlike ASC people, you are on the inside of SkyRide, huh? So what do you think of their business practices? How are the benefits? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #52 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way how often does the uspa update their website? Might ask the same question about ASC website... I don't think Mike Gruwell works there anymore http://www.ascskydiving.com/atlanta_skydiving_staff.htm"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #53 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteBy the way how often does the uspa update their website? QuoteMight ask the same question about ASC website... I don't think Mike Gruwell works there anymore There's many more than just him....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #54 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way how often does the uspa update their website? Dunno... you waiting on their write-up on the group membership revocation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tinkerbell1983 0 #55 September 9, 2005 I don't want my personal life to be open discussion. If you would like to pm me we can talk about that privately.life is short, Live it up!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #56 September 9, 2005 QuoteMight ask the same question about ASC website... I don't think Mike Gruwell works there anymore There are a number of people on those staff pages who don't work there anymore. You might be surprised who you'd find still listed as "staff". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #57 September 9, 2005 Quote And she would also know how to help us find the public records of it. I said I would like to see it. I really meant it I'd like to be able to find it. Here is the post that originally mentioned it, being that Dave's girlfriend is a law student she probably know the best places to get this kind of info, I doubt it's googlable. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821163#1821163Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpoutnow 0 #58 September 9, 2005 Check the September issue of Parachutist. Don't know the exact page but, I read it yesterday. Ben and Cary and ASC's USPA membership has been revoked for unethical business practices. It is in black and white. Mike Gruwell saw the writing on the wall and made a mass exodus. Mike is a member in good standing with the USPA. Check out his website at www.chutingstar.comPeople are crazy. Cuz there's more of 'em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpoutnow 0 #59 September 9, 2005 Information is on page 34 of the September 2005 issue of Parachutist magazine.People are crazy. Cuz there's more of 'em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #60 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote And she would also know how to help us find the public records of it. I said I would like to see it. I really meant it I'd like to be able to find it. Here is the post that originally mentioned it, being that Dave's girlfriend is a law student she probably know the best places to get this kind of info, I doubt it's googlable. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821163#1821163 Also see this post from Andyman: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821751#1821751Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #61 September 9, 2005 thanks greg you run a great dz wish some of it had rubbed of on those across the road now lets move on (to the farm that is) ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #62 September 9, 2005 QuoteThere are a number of people on those staff pages who don't work there anymore. Its funny reading though. I know of several that don't work there, BUT if you call and ask to jump with one of the TM that aren't there anymore - they won't tell you that he left, they just say, "when do you want to jump?", you give date and they say "Oh, he won't be here that weekend? Can I have you CC #. Some information they have posted about their staff is blatently a lie. One guy NEVER lived in GA, nor is his "D" license number they posted real. I know they have been asked to remove these people, but of course they haven't.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PrincessPink 0 #63 September 9, 2005 Hopefully someone has more information. Ben and Cary's name were used in a search of the following sources and nothing was found...GAND, US Case-Party Index - Criminal (Nationwide federal courts) and the US DOJ site. FrankTheTank: do you have any other details? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #64 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote It's case number: 2:05cv2656 filed in US District Court, Arizona district if anyone is interested. So, how many counts were they charged with? Is that known Betsy? Thanks for the facts. Chris - that is a civil suit. Indictments are for criminal charges. I'm sure Eloy made many separate claims in their suit, but they're not ones that get our Skyride crooks 5 years per count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 5 #65 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote It's case number: 2:05cv2656 filed in US District Court, Arizona district if anyone is interested. So, how many counts were they charged with? Is that known Betsy? Thanks for the facts. Chris - that is a civil suit. Indictments are for criminal charges. I'm sure Eloy made many separate claims in their suit, but they're not ones that get our Skyride crooks 5 years per count. Thanks for the clarification. So, has anyone found reference to an actual indictment for wire fraud?Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #66 September 9, 2005 If you haven't seen it in the "What can we do about Skyride" thread, copies of the complaint can be downloaded here or here.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PrincessPink 0 #67 September 9, 2005 QuoteIf you haven't seen it in the "What can we do about Skyride" thread, copies of the complaint can be downloaded here or here. I was referring to the wire fraud charges that started this thread, sorry, should have quoted pp on the question with regards to the 1100 counts of wire fraud. A friend of mine was looking it up for me, he is an attorney and was unable to find anything. Don't mean to confuse things, just want to get this thing verified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #68 September 9, 2005 Quote Well I am a great swimmer!! By the way how often does the uspa update their website? Well they don't put a bunch of blatant lies and bullshit on their website, like ASC does with their 800 fake DZ websites... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #54 September 9, 2005 QuoteBy the way how often does the uspa update their website? Dunno... you waiting on their write-up on the group membership revocation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tinkerbell1983 0 #55 September 9, 2005 I don't want my personal life to be open discussion. If you would like to pm me we can talk about that privately.life is short, Live it up!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #56 September 9, 2005 QuoteMight ask the same question about ASC website... I don't think Mike Gruwell works there anymore There are a number of people on those staff pages who don't work there anymore. You might be surprised who you'd find still listed as "staff". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #57 September 9, 2005 Quote And she would also know how to help us find the public records of it. I said I would like to see it. I really meant it I'd like to be able to find it. Here is the post that originally mentioned it, being that Dave's girlfriend is a law student she probably know the best places to get this kind of info, I doubt it's googlable. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821163#1821163Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpoutnow 0 #58 September 9, 2005 Check the September issue of Parachutist. Don't know the exact page but, I read it yesterday. Ben and Cary and ASC's USPA membership has been revoked for unethical business practices. It is in black and white. Mike Gruwell saw the writing on the wall and made a mass exodus. Mike is a member in good standing with the USPA. Check out his website at www.chutingstar.comPeople are crazy. Cuz there's more of 'em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpoutnow 0 #59 September 9, 2005 Information is on page 34 of the September 2005 issue of Parachutist magazine.People are crazy. Cuz there's more of 'em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #60 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote And she would also know how to help us find the public records of it. I said I would like to see it. I really meant it I'd like to be able to find it. Here is the post that originally mentioned it, being that Dave's girlfriend is a law student she probably know the best places to get this kind of info, I doubt it's googlable. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821163#1821163 Also see this post from Andyman: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1821751#1821751Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #61 September 9, 2005 thanks greg you run a great dz wish some of it had rubbed of on those across the road now lets move on (to the farm that is) ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #62 September 9, 2005 QuoteThere are a number of people on those staff pages who don't work there anymore. Its funny reading though. I know of several that don't work there, BUT if you call and ask to jump with one of the TM that aren't there anymore - they won't tell you that he left, they just say, "when do you want to jump?", you give date and they say "Oh, he won't be here that weekend? Can I have you CC #. Some information they have posted about their staff is blatently a lie. One guy NEVER lived in GA, nor is his "D" license number they posted real. I know they have been asked to remove these people, but of course they haven't.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PrincessPink 0 #63 September 9, 2005 Hopefully someone has more information. Ben and Cary's name were used in a search of the following sources and nothing was found...GAND, US Case-Party Index - Criminal (Nationwide federal courts) and the US DOJ site. FrankTheTank: do you have any other details? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #64 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuote It's case number: 2:05cv2656 filed in US District Court, Arizona district if anyone is interested. So, how many counts were they charged with? Is that known Betsy? Thanks for the facts. Chris - that is a civil suit. Indictments are for criminal charges. I'm sure Eloy made many separate claims in their suit, but they're not ones that get our Skyride crooks 5 years per count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #65 September 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote It's case number: 2:05cv2656 filed in US District Court, Arizona district if anyone is interested. So, how many counts were they charged with? Is that known Betsy? Thanks for the facts. Chris - that is a civil suit. Indictments are for criminal charges. I'm sure Eloy made many separate claims in their suit, but they're not ones that get our Skyride crooks 5 years per count. Thanks for the clarification. So, has anyone found reference to an actual indictment for wire fraud?Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #66 September 9, 2005 If you haven't seen it in the "What can we do about Skyride" thread, copies of the complaint can be downloaded here or here.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PrincessPink 0 #67 September 9, 2005 QuoteIf you haven't seen it in the "What can we do about Skyride" thread, copies of the complaint can be downloaded here or here. I was referring to the wire fraud charges that started this thread, sorry, should have quoted pp on the question with regards to the 1100 counts of wire fraud. A friend of mine was looking it up for me, he is an attorney and was unable to find anything. Don't mean to confuse things, just want to get this thing verified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #68 September 9, 2005 Quote Well I am a great swimmer!! By the way how often does the uspa update their website? Well they don't put a bunch of blatant lies and bullshit on their website, like ASC does with their 800 fake DZ websites... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #69 September 9, 2005 Hey Callie, I have a new avatar for you: Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil Edit: Changed it to an attached pic."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #70 September 9, 2005 QuoteHey Callie, I have a new avatar for you: Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil Link didn't work, but still, the implication... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #71 September 9, 2005 that looks familiar.... im just partial to this one though hehehe http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lisa_marie_abdrep/detail?.dir=1398&.dnm=9b94.jpg&.src=phSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #72 September 9, 2005 Hi Tom Thanks for the link. Interesting Whatever happened to the urban legend that skydivers don't sue skydivers That was a joke!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #73 September 9, 2005 QuoteWhat's Carey jumping now? A one cell . . . NickD BASE 194 ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #74 September 9, 2005 QuoteHow often do you think Ben or Carey either one are actually at the DZ? A couple of years back, I spent (in a 3 1/2 period of time) weeks, in three separate trips, at ASC and ben was there the majority of the time, and by ASC, I mean Atlanta Skydiving Center in Cedertown (not Alabama, or Adventure, or Arkasas, or Alaska, or Albany or all the other cities in the country starting with an "A" that the ASC "A" claims to stand for.) Actually, Ben was a great guy. I took him on his first Tube Jump, and he invited my crew to his new house for dinner one evening. I think he is a hell of a guy, it's just a shame he has no scruples. BTW, aside from a slopey, rocky landing area, I think Cedertown is a kick ass dropzone. Especially when Method was there. My 2cents, Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midnightrider 0 #75 September 10, 2005 Quote BTW, aside from a slopey, rocky landing area, I think Cedertown is a kick ass dropzone. Especially when Method was there. sure, if you can look over the fact they lost half their staff and a rigger---not to mention their credibility to the business and skydiving world...great operation they're running Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
