happythoughts 0 #126 August 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotethe thing that I've been trying to figure out is, what is the point of jumping without one? What is the value ? It's "cool". ....even cooler at night. All that stuff is so 90's. I don't do "old cool". Way past that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #127 August 23, 2005 QuoteAll that stuff is so 90's. I don't do "old cool". Way past that. Hmmm. What's "new cool"? Oh I know: hooking yourself into the ground and breaking your femur. Yeah, that's the latest fad to be cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #128 August 23, 2005 QuoteYeah, that's the latest fad to be cool. No, that's always been cool.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #129 August 23, 2005 I have been gone a few days. QuoteHmmm. What's "new cool"? Oh I know: hooking yourself into the ground and breaking your femur. Yeah, that's the latest fad to be cool. Are you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #130 August 23, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base. Yes, that is exactly what I said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #131 August 24, 2005 I have my visual on my leg strap, I only use it under canopy, I've got my audible for freefall. Black Death waiting to happen. You should go thank God or Buddah or whoever that you are still alive. Or at least that you stillhave all your toes!!!!!! Quote I jumped a round main and belly reserve static line today, I hate that shitHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicrussell 0 #132 August 24, 2005 If you are judging/timing your HP landing based on your altimeter you could be making a huge error for a few reasons. 1. Density altitude changes, 2. Temperature changes, 3. Personal weight changes, etc. When I Perform a hook turn I come in at aroind X altitude and use my eyes and ears to judge how my rotation is coming along, based on this I adjust riser pressure to keep the dive going or back off. I am not a pro, so maybe im am talking out of my ass, but that makes sense to me. BTW I havent used an altimeter in 600ish jumps. in 4.5 years, cant seem to find it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #133 August 24, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base. Yes, that is exactly what I said. Well that is silly. Just not true. Show me one report or one person that will say the reason they broke there femur is because they where not wearing an altimeter. Just one is all I ask. Granted they obvioulsy were to low to turn, but to say they didn't have an altimeter? Where do you get that from? Like the poster above me said. Using an alti to start your turns can be a very bad thing. Sure it can be a good reference, but Analog altimeters are not very accurate bleow 1000 ft. and can stick.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #134 August 24, 2005 QuoteUsing an alti to start your turns can be a very bad thing. Sure it can be a good reference, but Analog altimeters are not very accurate bleow 1000 ft. and can stick. Digital altimeters are just the tool needed for me to perform high-speed canopy swoops. I wouldn't do a hook turn without one! Yeehaw! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #135 August 24, 2005 QuoteWell that is silly. Just not true. Show me one report or one person that will say the reason they broke there femur is because they where not wearing an altimeter. Just one is all I ask. ??????????? QuoteDigital altimeters are just the tool needed for me to perform high-speed canopy swoops. I wouldn't do a hook turn without one! Yeehaw! Do you do hook turns?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #136 August 24, 2005 QuoteHmmm. What's "new cool"? Oh I know: hooking yourself into the ground and breaking your femur. Yeah, that's the latest fad to be cool. Are you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base. I wasn't wearing an altimeter when I broke my femur... of course, I was sea-doing at the time. Actually Dom, I think he was just trying to say he thinks you're really cool for not jumping one. I think you are too. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicrussell 0 #132 August 24, 2005 If you are judging/timing your HP landing based on your altimeter you could be making a huge error for a few reasons. 1. Density altitude changes, 2. Temperature changes, 3. Personal weight changes, etc. When I Perform a hook turn I come in at aroind X altitude and use my eyes and ears to judge how my rotation is coming along, based on this I adjust riser pressure to keep the dive going or back off. I am not a pro, so maybe im am talking out of my ass, but that makes sense to me. BTW I havent used an altimeter in 600ish jumps. in 4.5 years, cant seem to find it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #133 August 24, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base. Yes, that is exactly what I said. Well that is silly. Just not true. Show me one report or one person that will say the reason they broke there femur is because they where not wearing an altimeter. Just one is all I ask. Granted they obvioulsy were to low to turn, but to say they didn't have an altimeter? Where do you get that from? Like the poster above me said. Using an alti to start your turns can be a very bad thing. Sure it can be a good reference, but Analog altimeters are not very accurate bleow 1000 ft. and can stick.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #134 August 24, 2005 QuoteUsing an alti to start your turns can be a very bad thing. Sure it can be a good reference, but Analog altimeters are not very accurate bleow 1000 ft. and can stick. Digital altimeters are just the tool needed for me to perform high-speed canopy swoops. I wouldn't do a hook turn without one! Yeehaw! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #135 August 24, 2005 QuoteWell that is silly. Just not true. Show me one report or one person that will say the reason they broke there femur is because they where not wearing an altimeter. Just one is all I ask. ??????????? QuoteDigital altimeters are just the tool needed for me to perform high-speed canopy swoops. I wouldn't do a hook turn without one! Yeehaw! Do you do hook turns?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #136 August 24, 2005 QuoteHmmm. What's "new cool"? Oh I know: hooking yourself into the ground and breaking your femur. Yeah, that's the latest fad to be cool. Are you saying that people that break their femurs are not wearing altimeters? FTR I just read the last few post and this may be way off base. I wasn't wearing an altimeter when I broke my femur... of course, I was sea-doing at the time. Actually Dom, I think he was just trying to say he thinks you're really cool for not jumping one. I think you are too. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #137 August 24, 2005 That is his perception of why I started this thread. QuoteI wasn't wearing an altimeter when I broke my femur... of course, I was sea-doing at the time. Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdrenalineBluez 0 #138 August 24, 2005 Prior to last weekend I would have said no. However, since I did my first jump (beer) without a visual altimeter. I have to say yes. Well.. Because I did... What a hippocrit I am!!!! I almost got a foot in the peas too!!! Maybe I should stop using it to set up my pattern??? "Uh oh! This is gonna hurt!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #139 August 24, 2005 QuoteDo you do hook turns? But of course. Everyone who is cool does them. And I'm very cool. If I don't trust the altitude reading on my altimeter, that's okay. I've still got eyeballs for determining altitude. And my eyeballs are accurate to within 5 feet at hook turn altitudes. Nothing can go wrong with an altimeter backed-up by eyeballs. Yeehaw! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilLurker 2 #140 August 24, 2005 QuoteAnd my eyeballs are accurate to within 5 feet at hook turn altitudes. Everybody's are, if you're talking the last 5 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #141 August 24, 2005 >What a hippocrit I am!!!! Which would be a large animal with an unusually high red blood cell count? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdrenalineBluez 0 #142 August 24, 2005 Or a spelling challenged baboon in a jump suit such as myself... "Uh oh! This is gonna hurt!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
