Squeak 17 #1 April 26, 2004 I jumped my camera helemt for the beer time this weekend, and as a result I had my Pro-Dytter in this helmet. The next few Jumps i did were with my Gath. I chose to leave my dytter in my camera helmet, and commented to my friend that "I don't rely on it anyway." I truely beleived this, as on most every jump I check ,y alti just before my 1st alarm sounds (or so I thought) at 5000. Well on the next 3 jumps, every time I checked my alti, I was approaching 4000 or just going through 4000. The 1st time it happend, I was startlted, to find that I do infect rely on my dytter. Over the course of the next few jumps, I was trying to maintain altitude awareness better and still got it wonrg. I jumped the rest of the day and ALL day Sunday without the dytter.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spottydog 0 #2 April 26, 2004 QuoteI jumped my camera helemt for the beer time this weekend, and as a result I had my Pro-Dytter in this helmet. The next few Jumps i did were with my Gath. I chose to leave my dytter in my camera helmet, and commented to my friend that "I don't rely on it anyway." I truely beleived this, as on most every jump I check ,y alti just before my 1st alarm sounds (or so I thought) at 5000. Well on the next 3 jumps, every time I checked my alti, I was approaching 4000 or just going through 4000. The 1st time it happend, I was startlted, to find that I do infect rely on my dytter. Over the course of the next few jumps, I was trying to maintain altitude awareness better and still got it wonrg. I jumped the rest of the day and ALL day Sunday without the dytter. Was anything else different, besides not having the ditter. Lower exit altitude, different DZ to usual? What sort of jumps were they, ie vertical or flat? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #3 April 26, 2004 QuoteI truely beleived this, as on most every jump I check ,y alti just before my 1st alarm sounds (or so I thought) at 5000. Well on the next 3 jumps, every time I checked my alti, I was approaching 4000 or just going through 4000. The 1st time it happend, I was startlted, to find that I do infect rely on my dytter. The bitch about dependance...Is that you don't know you are dependant."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #4 April 26, 2004 Yep. The same things happened to me. I only realized it when I leant it to a friend one weekend and had the same experience as you. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skr 1 #5 April 26, 2004 You know, this is a very interesting post. I also put some effort into teaching myself to keep track of altitude. For me it is basically a sense of is it starting to get too long since the last time I checked. It took a conscious effort because freefall is so seductive, I could just jump out and stay there all day. If I had a spare 20 million I'd go visit the space station in a second. Hmmm, maybe I'll go buy a powerball ticket tomorrow :-) :-) I basically treat altitude (or lowness) like a cop in the rear view mirror. I don't fixate on it but I never quite forget he's back there either and I periodically check just to see exactly where he is. When I get down lower, like when he's pulled in right behind me, I check more often and get a little more focused on not spacing out and doing something foolish. Skr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #6 April 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Was anything else different, besides not having the ditter. Lower exit altitude, different DZ to usual? What sort of jumps were they, ie vertical or flat? The only difference was the dropzone. (Which I've been to numerous times before). They were flat jumps, with familar people.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daveom 0 #7 April 26, 2004 OK, while I'm not doing anything with a critical break-off... I've always set my first alert to exactly my pull altitude. If I hear it just as I'm being stood up, then I've done well. If I get surprised by it, then I've f*cked up. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,447 #8 April 26, 2004 That's close to what I've done. I've set my first alert to about 500' below when we normally break off these days (3500), and my second to pull altitude (2500). So if I hear the first one and I'm still in the formation, yes, I messed up. WendyThere is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #9 April 27, 2004 What do you set your dytter at? and what altitudes do you do things at? Mine is set at 3500, 2500 and 1500. Normal breakoff is at 4k. So the 3500 warning is "Why haven't you broken off yet?" Normal pull altitude is 3k. So the 2500 warning is "Why haven't you dumped yet?" warning at 1500 is "What the fuck are you doing?????" Note: I've been open by 2500 on pretty much all of my last 15-20 jumps. You can hear my dytter beeping its 2500 warning after the canopy has opened.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #10 April 27, 2004 QuoteWhat do you set your dytter at? and what altitudes do you do things at? Mine is set at 3500, 2500 and 1500. Normal breakoff is at 4k. So the 3500 warning is "Why haven't you broken off yet?" Normal pull altitude is 3k. So the 2500 warning is "Why haven't you dumped yet?" warning at 1500 is "What the fuck are you doing?????" Note: I've been open by 2500 on pretty much all of my last 15-20 jumps. You can hear my dytter beeping its 2500 warning after the canopy has opened. Mine is (probably change soon) set at 5000 3000 2000 5000 "are you awake" 3000 "you should be dumping" 2000 "if it isn't almost open yet, why not! {chop it?}"You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #11 April 27, 2004 Quote 5000 "are you awake" 3000 "you should be dumping" 2000 "if it isn't almost open yet, why not! {chop it?}" So when do you normally breakoff and dump ?? If it's at 5500 and 3500, then I'd leave your settings alone. I like the idea of setting your dytter below the altitude, as you only hear it if you go wrong, you're not going through your dive waiting for it to go off.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #12 April 27, 2004 Generally i brake off at 4000 and dump at 3000 If I'm freeflying then 5000 is go flat time and break at 4000 dump at 3000You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #13 April 27, 2004 If your worried about Dytter dependency, get two of them, and experience a symphony of beeps at hard deck. Seriously, relying on any one from two to work is better than relying on one from one. The backup could be a cheap (say original model dytter) audible. I'm guilty of dytter dependency, but at least I know it.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
daveom 0 #7 April 26, 2004 OK, while I'm not doing anything with a critical break-off... I've always set my first alert to exactly my pull altitude. If I hear it just as I'm being stood up, then I've done well. If I get surprised by it, then I've f*cked up. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #8 April 26, 2004 That's close to what I've done. I've set my first alert to about 500' below when we normally break off these days (3500), and my second to pull altitude (2500). So if I hear the first one and I'm still in the formation, yes, I messed up. WendyThere is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #9 April 27, 2004 What do you set your dytter at? and what altitudes do you do things at? Mine is set at 3500, 2500 and 1500. Normal breakoff is at 4k. So the 3500 warning is "Why haven't you broken off yet?" Normal pull altitude is 3k. So the 2500 warning is "Why haven't you dumped yet?" warning at 1500 is "What the fuck are you doing?????" Note: I've been open by 2500 on pretty much all of my last 15-20 jumps. You can hear my dytter beeping its 2500 warning after the canopy has opened.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #10 April 27, 2004 QuoteWhat do you set your dytter at? and what altitudes do you do things at? Mine is set at 3500, 2500 and 1500. Normal breakoff is at 4k. So the 3500 warning is "Why haven't you broken off yet?" Normal pull altitude is 3k. So the 2500 warning is "Why haven't you dumped yet?" warning at 1500 is "What the fuck are you doing?????" Note: I've been open by 2500 on pretty much all of my last 15-20 jumps. You can hear my dytter beeping its 2500 warning after the canopy has opened. Mine is (probably change soon) set at 5000 3000 2000 5000 "are you awake" 3000 "you should be dumping" 2000 "if it isn't almost open yet, why not! {chop it?}"You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #11 April 27, 2004 Quote 5000 "are you awake" 3000 "you should be dumping" 2000 "if it isn't almost open yet, why not! {chop it?}" So when do you normally breakoff and dump ?? If it's at 5500 and 3500, then I'd leave your settings alone. I like the idea of setting your dytter below the altitude, as you only hear it if you go wrong, you're not going through your dive waiting for it to go off.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #12 April 27, 2004 Generally i brake off at 4000 and dump at 3000 If I'm freeflying then 5000 is go flat time and break at 4000 dump at 3000You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 April 27, 2004 If your worried about Dytter dependency, get two of them, and experience a symphony of beeps at hard deck. Seriously, relying on any one from two to work is better than relying on one from one. The backup could be a cheap (say original model dytter) audible. I'm guilty of dytter dependency, but at least I know it.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
