grue 1 #1 August 9, 2005 I just don't get it? Is it collisions, or what?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #2 August 9, 2005 My sense is that it's people who are prone to dislocation anyway. There's a student at my DZ who dislocated at flare time for her first AFF jump and dislocated as soon as she went to arch on her 4th or 5th jump. She'd had problems with dislocation in the past, though. Shoulders are pretty delicate things."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #3 August 9, 2005 QuoteI just don't get it? Is it collisions, or what? *** That's how it happened to me at the very first FB Convention...hit by a 'diver' while in an eight way. Put my right arm up behind my rig. Put it's never happened since. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #4 August 9, 2005 My shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #5 August 9, 2005 Keep in mind that your shoulder is only held in by muscles, tendons and ligaments. These can in fact become stretched out with repeatitive injury caused from many different avenues completely unrelated as well as related to skydiving. Some people like myself are hypermoble, also known as double jointed are prone to having shoulder dislocations. I had surg back in May because my shoulder was sublexing, basically popping in and out of the socket. They had to go in and tighten down all of my ligaments in my shoulder to stop it from sitting half out of the socket when my muscles were not contracted. In some cases I think, and this is my theory, that if someone doesnt exactly have enought muscle strength to handle the FF air speed...that maybe this is also causing stretching of the ligaments, and then allowing the shoulder to dislocate. That is just a theory, not proven or told to be true by a doctor. This is of course in addition to the normal crashed into someone in freefall dislocation. She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #6 August 10, 2005 QuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 August 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that! As opposed to horny guerrillas, which are only a problem if you don't take away their weapons first."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krl1 0 #8 August 10, 2005 Interesting reminder for me. I dislocated my right shoulder once snowboarding about 20 years ago and then off and on again BMX dirt jumping and bicycle trials riding. It's been at least 10 years since it last happened, and I've always been able to get it back in (rolls off the back), but I really don't want to try that in freefall. Especially with my buddy the pulling arm. Hmmmmm............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #9 August 10, 2005 Grue, in my year and a half in this sport...I see more ankle and knee injuries from landings and lack of canopy skills than anything. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #10 August 10, 2005 It depends how loose it is. One of my friend had his shoulder dislocated and got operated too. He could hurt his weak shoulder by skiing/snowboarding, so it was loose again. He has started his SL course and dislocated his shoulder by the first jump. He claimed it was the wind. I guess he made a nice swing with his left arm and that was enough for his shoulder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxim 0 #11 August 10, 2005 i dislocated my shoulder on AFF6 i think it was. on exit i threw my arms back into a hard arch and pop my shoulder went just from that.. I had never had any past shoulder injuries and always been fit and healthy. it can surely happen to people without shoulder problems Life is Great. Even Greater what we do with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #12 August 10, 2005 QuoteWhat he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. ARGH!!! Get your shoulder fixed!! Not only are you increasingly endangering your own life, but you could be putting your fellow jumpers in danger, as well. I fail to understand why people shrug this kind of a thing off. I hope eeneR will come back and try to pound some sense into you, too. I first dislocated my shoulder in October 2002, on AFF Level 3 while flaring (I thought I was the only one who's done it on flare!). Then dislocated it a second time (same motion: flare) in May 2004, I kept myself grounded through the rest of that season because I KNEW that it would come out again if I jumped. Then I had surgery in October 2004, and healed/rehabbed over the winter. I was back jumping in late May 2005. Yes, having surgery and being out for at least 4-6 months SUCKS. However, knowing that my shoulder has MUCH less chance of popping out in freefall, on flare, when I need to practice my emergency procedures, etc. far outweighs the loss of jumping for several months. The sky will always be there! Get your shoulder fixed!!! _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #13 August 10, 2005 Shoulders are delicate and fragile things. They are particularly vulnerable when the elbow is level or higher than the shoulder, and the thumb is facing towards the head, which is pretty much the old "box" position. Any martial artist will tell you that a flat hand slap to the elbow in that config is enough to dislocate. Those that are "prone" to dislocations were not prone to them prior to their 1st one. After that, they come out easier, go back in easier and can generally be healed with good physio, unless the dislocations are caused by weak rotator cuff muscles, in which case, physio and cortizone are used for 4 months, and if the improvement is insufficient, surgery is required. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #14 August 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that! See Highlighted! This suprizes you how? It is not going to suddenly repair itself. You have loosened your shoulder enough that it will continue to pop out. Yes you can infact do some PT to the muscles around the shoulder but once those muscles poop out, you are going to dislocate. I has been said and I will say it again, the shoulder is very very delicate. It is the most flexible of all joints as well as the most fragile. take a look HERE This is the site for Steadman Hawkins, one of the best Ortho docs out there, and there is some amazing information on the shoulder. You need to understand each and everytime you let that shoulder either sublex or dislocate you are doing further damage to that shoulders bones, ligaments and tendons. You can get to the point that it will be unfixable. You say it is better to suck it up and not get cut and have to be out months? I had surg in May 05, and will be back in the air next month (sept) Shoulder is completely stable now, it will not dislocate unless I injure it again. No more sublexing.... Here are my other threads on shoulders....the third one has pics of what my shoulder was doing before surgery And what they did during surgery One Two Three She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #15 August 11, 2005 Have had my shoulder come out plenty of times, the only time related to skydiving though, I was about 8-10 inches low trying to take grips in a donut and I reached to hard it came out of the socket, pulling my arm back in towards my body brought it back into the socket. That's my storyHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calledisrael 0 #16 August 11, 2005 i wanted to agree with this. i totally screwed up my shoulder in a landing in february.. and have dislocated twice since then in freefall. not fun. sometimes i talk myself into thinking that it won't happen again, or i can manage it. i am having the arthroscopic repair next week. and i am thrilled. i would way rather have the surgery, deal with it for six months, and (hopefully) never ever again wonder on deployment if my arm will all of the sudden quit working. thanks to craichead, for her advice, to all the skydivers who shared their experiences, and to tspillers, for his beautifully packed reserves. life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all. (helen keller) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #17 August 12, 2005 Quote...ARGH!!! Get your shoulder fixed!! You were doing just fine up to this point but then you had to go on.... QuoteNot only are you increasingly endangering your own life, but you could be putting your fellow jumpers in danger, as well. I fail to understand why people shrug this kind of a thing off. I hope eeneR will come back and try to pound some sense into you, too. Lady...you have absolutely NO clue as to what's going on here. But rather than take offense at the out-in-left-field insult, I'll let it slide. With your experience, it's understandable that you would freak out without knowing what you are freakin' talking about. Silly Wabbit My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 August 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that! QuoteSee Highlighted! This suprizes you how? Where does it say that I am surprised? Save putting words in people's mouth for the Speaker's Corner. Quote...You have loosened your shoulder enough that it will continue to pop out. Thank you for the diagnosis, Dr Eener. May I see your Medical license? Quotetake a look HERE This is the site for Steadman Hawkins, one of the best Ortho docs out there, and there is some amazing information on the shoulder. Nice reference...I'll keep it bookmarked. QuoteYou need to understand each and everytime you let that shoulder either sublex or dislocate you are doing further damage to that shoulders bones, ligaments and tendons. You can get to the point that it will be unfixable. Two things going on here. 1) This is where you make false assumptions. You assume that "sublex or dislocate" events are happening. Where did I say that? 2) Your tone is very condescending. Talk to me. I'm a grown up...not your kid. QuoteYou say it is better to suck it up... I said, "The pain is easier to deal with than...." Again, please do not put words in my mouth. Save that for the Speaker's Corner. For clarification and edification: Pain, nothing more, nothing less...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Sheesh. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #19 August 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that! QuoteSee Highlighted! This suprizes you how? Where does it say that I am surprised? Save putting words in people's mouth for the Speaker's Corner. See highlighted blue. Quote...You have loosened your shoulder enough that it will continue to pop out. that statement was mad based on above, once it dislocates it will continue to do so, see link I gave below, if you read it it would have explained. Thank you for the diagnosis, Dr Eener. May I see your Medical license? I was giving personal experiance as I just went thru this shit and spent a lot of time talking to my doctor, excuse me for sharing my knowledge Quotetake a look HERE This is the site for Steadman Hawkins, one of the best Ortho docs out there, and there is some amazing information on the shoulder. Nice reference...I'll keep it bookmarked. QuoteYou need to understand each and everytime you let that shoulder either sublex or dislocate you are doing further damage to that shoulders bones, ligaments and tendons. You can get to the point that it will be unfixable. Two things going on here. 1) This is where you make false assumptions. You assume that "sublex or dislocate" events are happening. Where did I say that? again see above...you stated same as he said, but you are still having problems he said his shoulder poped out, if it stays out and needs to be reduced it dislocated, if it pops out and in it sublexed... 2) Your tone is very condescending. Talk to me. I'm a grown up...not your kid. sorry you read it that way, was meant more of a concern QuoteYou say it is better to suck it up... I said, "The pain is easier to deal with than...." Again, please do not put words in my mouth. Save that for the Speaker's Corner. my dear that is sucking it up, dealing with pain instead of getting it looked at and/or fixed For clarification and edification: Pain, nothing more, nothing less...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Sheesh. All I did is share the shit I just went thru, I thought it was just simple pain too. But i bit the bullet and went to the doc to have it looked at. It was far worse then just pain. I never dislocated, but I was sublexing and didnt know it, each and everytime it popped in and out it was doing more and more damage to my rotator cuff and my glenoid labrum. Eventually it would have torn the shit out of them requiring far more intense surgery. But im not going to go into anyfurther as you really dont give a shit about any one elses experince. Just needed to clarify, im done here, my experince with this posted. And maybe, just maybe someone will learn from this and save themselves from further problems and go see a doctor. Good luck with that She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #20 August 12, 2005 Quote ...But im not going to go into anyfurther as you really dont give a shit about any one elses experince. You just don't get it do you? For clarification and edification....again: ...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Eener, it was a simple process of dislocation, pain and recovery....not rocket science, not life/death. So yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? So I call you on being presumptuous and now you throw a tantrum... oh fuggit...some people just don't get it. Sheesh, it's gone over to funny now. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craichead 0 #21 August 12, 2005 QuoteLady...you have absolutely NO clue as to what's going on here. But rather than take offense at the out-in-left-field insult, I'll let it slide. Why, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? QuoteWith your experience, it's understandable that you would freak out without knowing what you are freakin' talking about. Silly Wabbit I'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. QuoteSo yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? Why? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. We're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? But then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 August 12, 2005 QuoteWhy, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? You entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. QuoteI'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. See? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! QuoteWhy? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. 1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? 2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. 3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? QuoteWe're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? No, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others QuoteBut then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. See there you go with the insults again...My God...Lady, you are off the wall! You seem to be the type that enjoys insulting people's intelligence and it's wrong, just wrong. Let's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #23 August 12, 2005 QuoteI just don't get it? Is it collisions, or what? I think most dislocations are caused by one or two things: 1) "Hang on for dear life" RW Grips 2) Wind pressure on flailing arms BTW...sorry your thread got temporarily trashed....hopefully they'll move to PM with the snottiness.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craichead 0 #24 August 12, 2005 QuoteYou entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. You don't think that a shoulder dislocation in freefall could put yourself or somebody else in danger? QuoteSee? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! So, what exactly were you saying? My experience with shoulder dislocations makes me freak out, and I have no "freakin' clue" what I'm talking about? Who's making the assumptions here? Quote1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? So, that means that your shoulder is still not performing as well as it should be, even after your recovery, PT, whatever. There's a chance that you can injure/dislocate again. Quote2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. You said you didn't want to get cut. What does that mean? Do you need surgery or not? Quote3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? Uh no, that's really by YOUR false reasoning and assumptions. QuoteNo, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others 1) There is always a possibility that you will dislocate again. 2) Why don't you just CLARIFY your statement of not wanting to get cut and missing jumps? Do you need surgery or not? Or perhaps a better question would be, does your doctor recommend surgery or not? 3) A dislocation in freefall is dangerous to yourself and to others. QuoteLet's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh? You made the suggestion--why don't you follow it? You accuse us of being snotty while dishing out the snot yourself? Wow. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #25 August 12, 2005 Did you read the part about PM? You haven't read my PM yet have you?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. 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eeneR 3 #19 August 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy shoulder came out of socket during a horny guerilla once. I put itself back in place during the opening sequence I never had a problem after that. What he said except that I am still having problems with it. The pain is easier to deal with than getting cut and missing jumps for several months. Horny Gorillas can be just that! QuoteSee Highlighted! This suprizes you how? Where does it say that I am surprised? Save putting words in people's mouth for the Speaker's Corner. See highlighted blue. Quote...You have loosened your shoulder enough that it will continue to pop out. that statement was mad based on above, once it dislocates it will continue to do so, see link I gave below, if you read it it would have explained. Thank you for the diagnosis, Dr Eener. May I see your Medical license? I was giving personal experiance as I just went thru this shit and spent a lot of time talking to my doctor, excuse me for sharing my knowledge Quotetake a look HERE This is the site for Steadman Hawkins, one of the best Ortho docs out there, and there is some amazing information on the shoulder. Nice reference...I'll keep it bookmarked. QuoteYou need to understand each and everytime you let that shoulder either sublex or dislocate you are doing further damage to that shoulders bones, ligaments and tendons. You can get to the point that it will be unfixable. Two things going on here. 1) This is where you make false assumptions. You assume that "sublex or dislocate" events are happening. Where did I say that? again see above...you stated same as he said, but you are still having problems he said his shoulder poped out, if it stays out and needs to be reduced it dislocated, if it pops out and in it sublexed... 2) Your tone is very condescending. Talk to me. I'm a grown up...not your kid. sorry you read it that way, was meant more of a concern QuoteYou say it is better to suck it up... I said, "The pain is easier to deal with than...." Again, please do not put words in my mouth. Save that for the Speaker's Corner. my dear that is sucking it up, dealing with pain instead of getting it looked at and/or fixed For clarification and edification: Pain, nothing more, nothing less...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Sheesh. All I did is share the shit I just went thru, I thought it was just simple pain too. But i bit the bullet and went to the doc to have it looked at. It was far worse then just pain. I never dislocated, but I was sublexing and didnt know it, each and everytime it popped in and out it was doing more and more damage to my rotator cuff and my glenoid labrum. Eventually it would have torn the shit out of them requiring far more intense surgery. But im not going to go into anyfurther as you really dont give a shit about any one elses experince. Just needed to clarify, im done here, my experince with this posted. And maybe, just maybe someone will learn from this and save themselves from further problems and go see a doctor. Good luck with that She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #20 August 12, 2005 Quote ...But im not going to go into anyfurther as you really dont give a shit about any one elses experince. You just don't get it do you? For clarification and edification....again: ...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Eener, it was a simple process of dislocation, pain and recovery....not rocket science, not life/death. So yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? So I call you on being presumptuous and now you throw a tantrum... oh fuggit...some people just don't get it. Sheesh, it's gone over to funny now. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craichead 0 #21 August 12, 2005 QuoteLady...you have absolutely NO clue as to what's going on here. But rather than take offense at the out-in-left-field insult, I'll let it slide. Why, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? QuoteWith your experience, it's understandable that you would freak out without knowing what you are freakin' talking about. Silly Wabbit I'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. QuoteSo yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? Why? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. We're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? But then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 August 12, 2005 QuoteWhy, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? You entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. QuoteI'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. See? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! QuoteWhy? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. 1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? 2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. 3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? QuoteWe're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? No, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others QuoteBut then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. See there you go with the insults again...My God...Lady, you are off the wall! You seem to be the type that enjoys insulting people's intelligence and it's wrong, just wrong. Let's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #23 August 12, 2005 QuoteI just don't get it? Is it collisions, or what? I think most dislocations are caused by one or two things: 1) "Hang on for dear life" RW Grips 2) Wind pressure on flailing arms BTW...sorry your thread got temporarily trashed....hopefully they'll move to PM with the snottiness.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craichead 0 #24 August 12, 2005 QuoteYou entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. You don't think that a shoulder dislocation in freefall could put yourself or somebody else in danger? QuoteSee? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! So, what exactly were you saying? My experience with shoulder dislocations makes me freak out, and I have no "freakin' clue" what I'm talking about? Who's making the assumptions here? Quote1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? So, that means that your shoulder is still not performing as well as it should be, even after your recovery, PT, whatever. There's a chance that you can injure/dislocate again. Quote2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. You said you didn't want to get cut. What does that mean? Do you need surgery or not? Quote3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? Uh no, that's really by YOUR false reasoning and assumptions. QuoteNo, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others 1) There is always a possibility that you will dislocate again. 2) Why don't you just CLARIFY your statement of not wanting to get cut and missing jumps? Do you need surgery or not? Or perhaps a better question would be, does your doctor recommend surgery or not? 3) A dislocation in freefall is dangerous to yourself and to others. QuoteLet's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh? You made the suggestion--why don't you follow it? You accuse us of being snotty while dishing out the snot yourself? Wow. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #25 August 12, 2005 Did you read the part about PM? You haven't read my PM yet have you?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. 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popsjumper 2 #20 August 12, 2005 Quote ...But im not going to go into anyfurther as you really dont give a shit about any one elses experince. You just don't get it do you? For clarification and edification....again: ...do not go off the deep end with assumptions and putting words in one's mouth. Eener, it was a simple process of dislocation, pain and recovery....not rocket science, not life/death. So yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? So I call you on being presumptuous and now you throw a tantrum... oh fuggit...some people just don't get it. Sheesh, it's gone over to funny now. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #21 August 12, 2005 QuoteLady...you have absolutely NO clue as to what's going on here. But rather than take offense at the out-in-left-field insult, I'll let it slide. Why, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? QuoteWith your experience, it's understandable that you would freak out without knowing what you are freakin' talking about. Silly Wabbit I'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. QuoteSo yours was more severe....people dislocate joints all over the world without having to be operated on. Why in the world are you and crackhead making such a big fuss over this? Why are you lecturing me on what I should do - especially when you had no clue as to what was going on with my situation? Why? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. We're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? But then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 August 12, 2005 QuoteWhy, exactly, was that an insult? Would a friendly emoticon at the end have made it less offensive? You entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. QuoteI'd say this is more of an insult than what I posted to you, but "I'll let it slide" since you seem to think that jump numbers qualifies experience in shoulder injuries. See? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! QuoteWhy? Because: 1) You said you were still having pain and problems associated with your dislocation. Hmm, seems to indicate that your shoulder still isn't quite right, don't you think? 2) You mentioned that you didn't want to get cut, implying that you need surgery, which indicates that the damage is bad enough that it will dislocate again unless you get it fixed. 3) It would seem that most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving. I wouldn't have had surgery if my sport of choice were competetive knitting. 1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? 2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. 3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? QuoteWe're basing our comments on the information you gave. So, if we have no clue as to what's going on, why don't you enlighten us? No, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others QuoteBut then again, you're starting to sound like the type of skydiver who says, "I'll be fine under a 96 sq ft Velocity with 300 jumps!" so I'll stop showing any concern for you, my fellow jumper. See there you go with the insults again...My God...Lady, you are off the wall! You seem to be the type that enjoys insulting people's intelligence and it's wrong, just wrong. Let's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #23 August 12, 2005 QuoteI just don't get it? Is it collisions, or what? I think most dislocations are caused by one or two things: 1) "Hang on for dear life" RW Grips 2) Wind pressure on flailing arms BTW...sorry your thread got temporarily trashed....hopefully they'll move to PM with the snottiness.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #24 August 12, 2005 QuoteYou entire post was an insult....putting somebody in danger...sheesh. You don't think that a shoulder dislocation in freefall could put yourself or somebody else in danger? QuoteSee? There you go again with the assumptions. Lady, I was talking about your experience with the shoulder...dislocated sholders is what this post was about...remember? Jump numbers, sheesh! So, what exactly were you saying? My experience with shoulder dislocations makes me freak out, and I have no "freakin' clue" what I'm talking about? Who's making the assumptions here? Quote1) Yeah, shoulder is "not quite right". So....? So, that means that your shoulder is still not performing as well as it should be, even after your recovery, PT, whatever. There's a chance that you can injure/dislocate again. Quote2) You're going way out on a limb making assumptions based on assumptions, don't you think? Read my reply to your assumption-buddy. You said you didn't want to get cut. What does that mean? Do you need surgery or not? Quote3) Let's see...two responses: - by your reasoning...everyone that has had an injury that hasn't had surgery to correct it should not be skydiving... - "most people who dislocate their shoulders without the need for surgery do not partake in sports as dangerous as skydiving". Think about that...read it again...do any lights come on for you? Uh no, that's really by YOUR false reasoning and assumptions. QuoteNo, you are basing your comments on your false assumptions. Again, read what I wrote, not what you have miscontrued. Where do I say any of the following: 1) Continues to pop out 2) Requires surgery 3) Dangerous to myself or others 1) There is always a possibility that you will dislocate again. 2) Why don't you just CLARIFY your statement of not wanting to get cut and missing jumps? Do you need surgery or not? Or perhaps a better question would be, does your doctor recommend surgery or not? 3) A dislocation in freefall is dangerous to yourself and to others. QuoteLet's quit wasting other peoples time and energy....take it to PM, eh? You made the suggestion--why don't you follow it? You accuse us of being snotty while dishing out the snot yourself? Wow. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #25 August 12, 2005 Did you read the part about PM? You haven't read my PM yet have you?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
