ANYONE-- do you ever wish an instructor would step up and say something?

[tbrown 26]

Going back to what Aggie said, there's little we can do other than bring it up with the DZO and S&TA. From that point it's in their hands.

[obelixtim 150]

Saw a picture of a bar graph in a flight safety magazine one time....one bar was "Confidence", the other was "Ability".

The "Confidence" bar was higher than the "Ability" bar.....in other words, confidence exceeded ability.....

The difference between the two bars was marked "Potential Disaster"....

Summed it all up rather neatly I thought...and sums this character up perfectly....

Me, I'd tell him bluntly and forcefully to get his act together....and I would not accept being brushed off either.....especially by someone with only 60 jumps.....call me a safety nazi or whatever....water off a ducks back...

Why are people too gutless to say what needs to be said?....but then stand around wringing their hands later...,after the bounce, saying "somebody should have done something...".

Much better than picking up the pieces later.....

My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing....

[WrongWay 0]

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[ ANYONE-- do you ever wish an instructor would step up and say something?

Actually it's not so much people not saying things that are the problem, I'm sure he's been spoken to before, much like some other people we know who don't listen. The problem is the hotshots who think they're prodigies and expert flyers at low jumps who are ALWAYS right and NEVER need to listen to the voices of experience that beg them not to kill themselves. In fact I bet you could find a few of them on here.......wait, I know you can.

Personally, I'd never jump with him, or anybody else with that attitude for that matter. Those kind of people aren't safe. Keep your ego away from me, along with your "skills", or lack thereof. I want to live.

Wrong Way
D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451
The wiser wolf prevails.

[WrongWay 0]

Don't forget, you owe me 100 bucks......

Wrong Way
D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451
The wiser wolf prevails.

[lewmonst 0]

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WrongWay

Jumps: < 1000
License: D 27371
In sport: 4 years

what's the point of that?

might as well leave it blank so we'll just assume you have 50 jumps

peace
lew

http://www.exitshot.com

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what's the point of that?

might as well leave it blank so we'll just assume you have 50 jumps

peace
lew

Hahaha, this is true Lew. I only have about 400 jumps, but I also a few hours tunnel time, and (give or take 5-10) 200 of those jumps are coached in freefly. I put less than 1000 because I feel the advice of a lot of people with less than 1000 jumps should be taken with a grain of salt, yes including myself, I don't qualify as an "expert" or "professional" in any area. However Lew, I'm sure even you remember me back when I started out. I was a cocky little punk who did very stupid, unsafe things and was practically asking for death every time I went up because of my attitude. A while back someone came to me and gave me a good talk about what I was doing, what was going on, and a much needed harsh reality check. That was the best thing that ever happened to me in the sport. Now I'm very safety conscious, and in fact possibly overly safety conscious because I've been there and I saw just how stupid I was being, and I guess I feel it's my responsibility to give back by doing all I can to stop stupid things like this from happening. Unfortunately, what comes with it is a low tolerance for people who repeatedly keep closed ears to people with 1000's of jumps, even some of the top flyers in the country/world, and STILL think they're on top of their game. I admit it's not right that I have a short fuse for these people, and I should be more patient, but I'm working on that now. What can I say, sometimes I put things harshly when I feel strongly about them. Still, I stand by my opinion that the problem lies within the newer jumpers not listening to experience. We need to find a way to get these people to listen. I may have been taking the harsh route here, but it's only because I've tried being friendly about it, and 85% of the time, it doesn't work.

Thanks for the inquiry Lew.
Edited cuz I can't spell conscious.

Wrong Way
D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451
The wiser wolf prevails.

[obelixtim 150]

Well sometimes people who don't listen.....after being nicely asked once.........and continue to threaten others with their attitude and actions...... will quickly respond to a simple bunch of fives waved under their nose.........

I'm quite solid, ugly, and a good bluffer......and its worked for me several times...........

My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing....

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>Yeah, and we all know how important that is when you're on a ff dive.

Keep in mind that there is more to a dive than the cool videos and head-downs. There is deployment, for example, and deploying your parachute successfully is an important part of surviving the dive. You you have to be able to fly on your belly, remain stable, hold a heading and not slide around (i.e. be able to do basic RW) to deploy with the best chance of getting a good canopy.

I was of the understanding that when the CI signs off
your A licence you are considered safe to do most of the
above. Basic RW skills are assumed on the completion of
your B licence training. (ie, in .au)
If a skydiver reaches this stage and decides free flying is his thing and gets proper coaching in this discipline (FF) why should they be considered any less safe? If their attitude to safety suckes
that's another issue.

Proper training and information from competent instructors/tutors
goes a long way.

[billvon 2,990]

>If a skydiver reaches this stage and decides free flying is his thing
> and gets proper coaching in this discipline (FF) why should they be
> considered any less safe?

If he can indeed do all that, then there's no problem in continuing to freefly. The key is to have a good basis in RW before you go on to freefly.

One problem I've seen on occasion is that a freeflyer with 1200 freefly jumps sometimes considers himself competent to do larger RW. I've been on a few disasterous (and a few dangerous) jumps where an experienced freeflyer tries to belly fly in a larger formation. But as long as they avoid RW jumps that's not a big factor.