lisamariewillbe 1 #1 June 27, 2005 and realized I have to do a hop and pop, this is scarey to me. I am not sure why it is any worse then jumping from 15 grand but just thinking that this weekend I may do one has me scared. Has anyone else had this? If so , why?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #2 June 27, 2005 I think most AFF-babies (as in, people who didn't learn through static line) feel fear before their first hop-n-pop. Just relax and listen to your instructors. Once I got that first one out of the way, I realized they're really fun! And I've done quite a few since then! Don't sweat it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #3 June 27, 2005 No one said you can't do the Hop n' Pop from 15 grand - go for itOne less that will be differnet - one less thing to worry about"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #4 June 27, 2005 Is the fear from it still being close to the ground? I hate when I cant understand where my fear comes from. Im excited cause it will be new to me, but scared none the less, then again I still get scared in the plane when they open that door.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #5 June 27, 2005 has to be from 3500ish AGL sighhhhSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #6 June 27, 2005 QuoteIs the fear from it still being close to the ground? Near as I can tell, yes. And it just being different. I'm finally starting not to freak out every time I try something different (no matter how small), so that could be all it is. Once you do this one, I think you'll find that h-n-p's can be a low-stress way to get into the air. Say you're feeling extra nervous one day . . . maybe after a sort of long layoff or something. A hop-n-pop can be nice, because you get out sooner (AKA shorter plane ride and anticipation time) and don't have the stress of a dirt dive, a group exit, freefall tasks, etc. Whenever your instructors think you're ready (and you feel OK about it), just go for it! They're fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #7 June 27, 2005 Thank you, jeesh in titusvilles king air the ride to 3500 is like 10 seconds lol no time to take seatbelt off just throw me and the bench out, worry about getting unbuckled laterSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattsplat 0 #8 June 27, 2005 If your confident you go out stable. Youl be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #9 June 27, 2005 Right now I still pull at 5 grand, Im happy with that number which is probley some of the fear. To me, jumping out below what is my personal decsion making point is a bit odd feeling, even if the instructors tell me that 2500 is my decsion alti, I just have it in my mind that it is a bit higher. Ill probley make the hop and pop the last of the weekend, just so the confidence is betterSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites plowdirt 0 #10 June 27, 2005 yea normal for me, i wouldn't do it, They bumped it up a couple of notches till I was comfortable. They were like look no matter what count to three and pull. at the door dear in the head lights C-yaaaaaa.(here comes the why part)I wasn't the stablest knife in the drawer sky earth sky earth sky earth puuuuullllllllll. Once again I laughed, under canopy. Tried some rear riser turns yea right more like rear riser pull ups. got on the ground to the smerk of my coachs face, chuckled and said whats next. don't sweat it, breathe and once again smile. Good luck kid and have fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #11 June 27, 2005 Generally the pull altitude goes down slightly through the AFF programme, or at least it did on mine. The HnP is a bit more nerve wracking than a full altitude jump although it needn't be. For example if I do a full height jump and pull at 3K I am doing c. 120 mph at pull time and am less than 15 secs from impact if I have a total. If I jump out at 3K I am around 20 seconds from impact so I actually have more time to deal with any issue. I did 5 static line jumps before AFF so I got over the fear of a 'low' exit that way. Just think logically, relax and enjoy. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #12 June 27, 2005 QuoteIf your confident you go out stable. Youl be fine. If you are confident and go out unstable you are probably fine too. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #13 June 27, 2005 Quotehas to be from 3500ish AGL sighhhh Lisa - 1000s of static line babies have had their very first freefall at that altitude! Like so much else in this sport, it's all in the mind. You'll be just fine! (And you'll probably love the soft sub-terminal opening!)Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #14 June 27, 2005 whats the difference between physical feel of a terminal and sub terminal pull?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #15 June 27, 2005 For one thing, it's slower (time-wise, although you'll probably burn through significantly less altitude). It just feels different, though, so don't freak out when you feel it. It's normal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #16 June 27, 2005 Someone more experienced may want to correct/add, but you're being slowed down to canopy speed from a slower f/f speed, so the deceleration isn't as abrupt, and (I think... please someone correct if wrong, or explain it better, i'm just a newbie) because you're at sub-terminal the PC takes longer to pull the chute out. I did SL till first freefall then moved to AFF, and every AFF opening felt like a hard one after my SL jumps!! Then, when I had to do a h&p again at the end of AFF, it was this amazing slow gentle opening again!Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #17 June 27, 2005 Quotewhats the difference between physical feel of a terminal and sub terminal pull? The deployment takes longer because your overall speed is less mostly because the throw of the aircraft is less then terminal. As such the canopy will also deploy more horizontally... (its neat to watch the plane fly away while you are being stood up by the canopy...) I was also very nervous for my first H&P and I deployed unstable... it wasn't pretty but it worked out ok... there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. and only did it because I was taking a canopy control course. A good way to get comfortable with your H&P is to do practice touches on solos (or at least unconnected exits) from full altitude while on the hill... when you know you can do it up top then it won't be a problem closer to the ground. ScottLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #18 June 27, 2005 Hi LMWB Think of the "H&P" as training for a a/c emergency exit at low altitude. If you freeze in the door during a a/c emergency you might get run over, be left in a bad plane or get other people hurt. Read the incident report from Costa Rica You fear is in you head, everyone else has done H&P's you can do it also. So enjoy the experience R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #19 June 27, 2005 Quote there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. . Yep, I waited until jump #33 to do mine, then I did 7 more just for fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #20 June 27, 2005 Nop...you are the only one .. I was scared shitless about my first hop 'n pop at 3500 right after AFF..It does seem so low when you are used to 12000+ft. Do a few hop 'n pops from 3500 and you'll get used to it. C&P's are actually fun...you'll have airspace all to yourself...you are the first one done...you can pack quicker to be on the next load etc...and did I mention they are cheaper?.. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #21 June 27, 2005 QuoteRight now I still pull at 5 grand, Im happy with that number which is probley some of the fear. To me, jumping out below what is my personal decsion making point is a bit odd feeling, even if the instructors tell me that 2500 is my decsion alti, I just have it in my mind that it is a bit higher. Ill probley make the hop and pop the last of the weekend, just so the confidence is better A lot of DZs, esp those using the 4 page A list, did a HnP at 5500 first. Takes away the pressure as you have plenty of time to fix any problems, or any instability on the exit. Those first 5 seconds seem very long at 3500, even though you've only fallen a couple hundred feet. The trial run assured me of this, and so I treated the real one as a true emergency and just hurled myself out the door, did a front loop, went stable and was under canopy by 3100. I never looked at the ground - just the horizon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hackb431 0 #22 June 27, 2005 Check your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteCheck your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times! That's not true... there are 2 different A license Cards... one has a 5500 ft and a 3500 ft... the other just has a 3500 ft H&P... The DZ has a choice about which card to use... edit: for proof reading...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites apixel 0 #24 June 27, 2005 Yup ... you are not alone. I waited till the end, and did it yesterday, jump 26 ... by this time I had done tons of "practice h&P" from full altitude ... basically doing a practice touch 3 seconds out the door. It worked out just like I rehearsed, and the opening was just beautiful ... slow, quiet and gentle ... then you get a nice view of the airplane as you are floating. You'll be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hackb431 0 #25 June 27, 2005 What the duece!? Who snuck another pesky version of that A card in here? So to edit and save face in light of the new information brought forth by Icon; just cause you have a 3.5 on your card there is nothing that says you can't do a 5.5 for giggles and to build confidence before your 3.5. Hell due to cloud cover over the spot my first 5.5 had to be from 7K waiting for the cloud to clear while still climbing for the other jumpers. Man was that a long ride down on a 230 with a w/l of .8 Yes, victory is mine!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
IanHarrop 42 #3 June 27, 2005 No one said you can't do the Hop n' Pop from 15 grand - go for itOne less that will be differnet - one less thing to worry about"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #4 June 27, 2005 Is the fear from it still being close to the ground? I hate when I cant understand where my fear comes from. Im excited cause it will be new to me, but scared none the less, then again I still get scared in the plane when they open that door.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #5 June 27, 2005 has to be from 3500ish AGL sighhhhSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #6 June 27, 2005 QuoteIs the fear from it still being close to the ground? Near as I can tell, yes. And it just being different. I'm finally starting not to freak out every time I try something different (no matter how small), so that could be all it is. Once you do this one, I think you'll find that h-n-p's can be a low-stress way to get into the air. Say you're feeling extra nervous one day . . . maybe after a sort of long layoff or something. A hop-n-pop can be nice, because you get out sooner (AKA shorter plane ride and anticipation time) and don't have the stress of a dirt dive, a group exit, freefall tasks, etc. Whenever your instructors think you're ready (and you feel OK about it), just go for it! They're fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #7 June 27, 2005 Thank you, jeesh in titusvilles king air the ride to 3500 is like 10 seconds lol no time to take seatbelt off just throw me and the bench out, worry about getting unbuckled laterSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattsplat 0 #8 June 27, 2005 If your confident you go out stable. Youl be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #9 June 27, 2005 Right now I still pull at 5 grand, Im happy with that number which is probley some of the fear. To me, jumping out below what is my personal decsion making point is a bit odd feeling, even if the instructors tell me that 2500 is my decsion alti, I just have it in my mind that it is a bit higher. Ill probley make the hop and pop the last of the weekend, just so the confidence is betterSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plowdirt 0 #10 June 27, 2005 yea normal for me, i wouldn't do it, They bumped it up a couple of notches till I was comfortable. They were like look no matter what count to three and pull. at the door dear in the head lights C-yaaaaaa.(here comes the why part)I wasn't the stablest knife in the drawer sky earth sky earth sky earth puuuuullllllllll. Once again I laughed, under canopy. Tried some rear riser turns yea right more like rear riser pull ups. got on the ground to the smerk of my coachs face, chuckled and said whats next. don't sweat it, breathe and once again smile. Good luck kid and have fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #11 June 27, 2005 Generally the pull altitude goes down slightly through the AFF programme, or at least it did on mine. The HnP is a bit more nerve wracking than a full altitude jump although it needn't be. For example if I do a full height jump and pull at 3K I am doing c. 120 mph at pull time and am less than 15 secs from impact if I have a total. If I jump out at 3K I am around 20 seconds from impact so I actually have more time to deal with any issue. I did 5 static line jumps before AFF so I got over the fear of a 'low' exit that way. Just think logically, relax and enjoy. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #12 June 27, 2005 QuoteIf your confident you go out stable. Youl be fine. If you are confident and go out unstable you are probably fine too. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #13 June 27, 2005 Quotehas to be from 3500ish AGL sighhhh Lisa - 1000s of static line babies have had their very first freefall at that altitude! Like so much else in this sport, it's all in the mind. You'll be just fine! (And you'll probably love the soft sub-terminal opening!)Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #14 June 27, 2005 whats the difference between physical feel of a terminal and sub terminal pull?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #15 June 27, 2005 For one thing, it's slower (time-wise, although you'll probably burn through significantly less altitude). It just feels different, though, so don't freak out when you feel it. It's normal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #16 June 27, 2005 Someone more experienced may want to correct/add, but you're being slowed down to canopy speed from a slower f/f speed, so the deceleration isn't as abrupt, and (I think... please someone correct if wrong, or explain it better, i'm just a newbie) because you're at sub-terminal the PC takes longer to pull the chute out. I did SL till first freefall then moved to AFF, and every AFF opening felt like a hard one after my SL jumps!! Then, when I had to do a h&p again at the end of AFF, it was this amazing slow gentle opening again!Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #17 June 27, 2005 Quotewhats the difference between physical feel of a terminal and sub terminal pull? The deployment takes longer because your overall speed is less mostly because the throw of the aircraft is less then terminal. As such the canopy will also deploy more horizontally... (its neat to watch the plane fly away while you are being stood up by the canopy...) I was also very nervous for my first H&P and I deployed unstable... it wasn't pretty but it worked out ok... there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. and only did it because I was taking a canopy control course. A good way to get comfortable with your H&P is to do practice touches on solos (or at least unconnected exits) from full altitude while on the hill... when you know you can do it up top then it won't be a problem closer to the ground. ScottLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #18 June 27, 2005 Hi LMWB Think of the "H&P" as training for a a/c emergency exit at low altitude. If you freeze in the door during a a/c emergency you might get run over, be left in a bad plane or get other people hurt. Read the incident report from Costa Rica You fear is in you head, everyone else has done H&P's you can do it also. So enjoy the experience R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #19 June 27, 2005 Quote there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. . Yep, I waited until jump #33 to do mine, then I did 7 more just for fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #20 June 27, 2005 Nop...you are the only one .. I was scared shitless about my first hop 'n pop at 3500 right after AFF..It does seem so low when you are used to 12000+ft. Do a few hop 'n pops from 3500 and you'll get used to it. C&P's are actually fun...you'll have airspace all to yourself...you are the first one done...you can pack quicker to be on the next load etc...and did I mention they are cheaper?.. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #21 June 27, 2005 QuoteRight now I still pull at 5 grand, Im happy with that number which is probley some of the fear. To me, jumping out below what is my personal decsion making point is a bit odd feeling, even if the instructors tell me that 2500 is my decsion alti, I just have it in my mind that it is a bit higher. Ill probley make the hop and pop the last of the weekend, just so the confidence is better A lot of DZs, esp those using the 4 page A list, did a HnP at 5500 first. Takes away the pressure as you have plenty of time to fix any problems, or any instability on the exit. Those first 5 seconds seem very long at 3500, even though you've only fallen a couple hundred feet. The trial run assured me of this, and so I treated the real one as a true emergency and just hurled myself out the door, did a front loop, went stable and was under canopy by 3100. I never looked at the ground - just the horizon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hackb431 0 #22 June 27, 2005 Check your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteCheck your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times! That's not true... there are 2 different A license Cards... one has a 5500 ft and a 3500 ft... the other just has a 3500 ft H&P... The DZ has a choice about which card to use... edit: for proof reading...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites apixel 0 #24 June 27, 2005 Yup ... you are not alone. I waited till the end, and did it yesterday, jump 26 ... by this time I had done tons of "practice h&P" from full altitude ... basically doing a practice touch 3 seconds out the door. It worked out just like I rehearsed, and the opening was just beautiful ... slow, quiet and gentle ... then you get a nice view of the airplane as you are floating. You'll be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hackb431 0 #25 June 27, 2005 What the duece!? Who snuck another pesky version of that A card in here? So to edit and save face in light of the new information brought forth by Icon; just cause you have a 3.5 on your card there is nothing that says you can't do a 5.5 for giggles and to build confidence before your 3.5. Hell due to cloud cover over the spot my first 5.5 had to be from 7K waiting for the cloud to clear while still climbing for the other jumpers. Man was that a long ride down on a 230 with a w/l of .8 Yes, victory is mine!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Orange1 0 #16 June 27, 2005 Someone more experienced may want to correct/add, but you're being slowed down to canopy speed from a slower f/f speed, so the deceleration isn't as abrupt, and (I think... please someone correct if wrong, or explain it better, i'm just a newbie) because you're at sub-terminal the PC takes longer to pull the chute out. I did SL till first freefall then moved to AFF, and every AFF opening felt like a hard one after my SL jumps!! Then, when I had to do a h&p again at the end of AFF, it was this amazing slow gentle opening again!Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #17 June 27, 2005 Quotewhats the difference between physical feel of a terminal and sub terminal pull? The deployment takes longer because your overall speed is less mostly because the throw of the aircraft is less then terminal. As such the canopy will also deploy more horizontally... (its neat to watch the plane fly away while you are being stood up by the canopy...) I was also very nervous for my first H&P and I deployed unstable... it wasn't pretty but it worked out ok... there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. and only did it because I was taking a canopy control course. A good way to get comfortable with your H&P is to do practice touches on solos (or at least unconnected exits) from full altitude while on the hill... when you know you can do it up top then it won't be a problem closer to the ground. ScottLivin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #18 June 27, 2005 Hi LMWB Think of the "H&P" as training for a a/c emergency exit at low altitude. If you freeze in the door during a a/c emergency you might get run over, be left in a bad plane or get other people hurt. Read the incident report from Costa Rica You fear is in you head, everyone else has done H&P's you can do it also. So enjoy the experience R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #19 June 27, 2005 Quote there's nothing that says you have to do you're h&p early in your jumps... I waited until I had about 20 jumps before I did it.. . Yep, I waited until jump #33 to do mine, then I did 7 more just for fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #20 June 27, 2005 Nop...you are the only one .. I was scared shitless about my first hop 'n pop at 3500 right after AFF..It does seem so low when you are used to 12000+ft. Do a few hop 'n pops from 3500 and you'll get used to it. C&P's are actually fun...you'll have airspace all to yourself...you are the first one done...you can pack quicker to be on the next load etc...and did I mention they are cheaper?.. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 June 27, 2005 QuoteRight now I still pull at 5 grand, Im happy with that number which is probley some of the fear. To me, jumping out below what is my personal decsion making point is a bit odd feeling, even if the instructors tell me that 2500 is my decsion alti, I just have it in my mind that it is a bit higher. Ill probley make the hop and pop the last of the weekend, just so the confidence is better A lot of DZs, esp those using the 4 page A list, did a HnP at 5500 first. Takes away the pressure as you have plenty of time to fix any problems, or any instability on the exit. Those first 5 seconds seem very long at 3500, even though you've only fallen a couple hundred feet. The trial run assured me of this, and so I treated the real one as a true emergency and just hurled myself out the door, did a front loop, went stable and was under canopy by 3100. I never looked at the ground - just the horizon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackb431 0 #22 June 27, 2005 Check your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteCheck your card you should have a 5.5 then a 3.5. As it has been stated just exit arch breath and pull. If you leave stable from 15K then it's exactly the same at 5.5 and 3.5. I just got done doing mine. I did two 5.5 before my 3.5. I was a little squirlly on the exit but just exhaled arched harder and pulled. I know what you mean about a higher pull. My pull alti is 4k so 3.5 made me nervous. After my fisrt one I was like no worries I can do this and I did 4 more times! That's not true... there are 2 different A license Cards... one has a 5500 ft and a 3500 ft... the other just has a 3500 ft H&P... The DZ has a choice about which card to use... edit: for proof reading...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apixel 0 #24 June 27, 2005 Yup ... you are not alone. I waited till the end, and did it yesterday, jump 26 ... by this time I had done tons of "practice h&P" from full altitude ... basically doing a practice touch 3 seconds out the door. It worked out just like I rehearsed, and the opening was just beautiful ... slow, quiet and gentle ... then you get a nice view of the airplane as you are floating. You'll be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackb431 0 #25 June 27, 2005 What the duece!? Who snuck another pesky version of that A card in here? So to edit and save face in light of the new information brought forth by Icon; just cause you have a 3.5 on your card there is nothing that says you can't do a 5.5 for giggles and to build confidence before your 3.5. Hell due to cloud cover over the spot my first 5.5 had to be from 7K waiting for the cloud to clear while still climbing for the other jumpers. Man was that a long ride down on a 230 with a w/l of .8 Yes, victory is mine!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
