Orange1 0 #26 June 16, 2005 Hmmm.. I wonder how many of these "i only do it because it gets policed" responses are the same people who complain about all the rules and regulations in the sport... Makes it a bit easier for me to see why these things do get policed Here we have 6-month repacksSkydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #27 June 16, 2005 They get policed because they HAVE to be policed. Can you imagine the carnage without what little "policing" is actually done?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #28 June 16, 2005 while I agree that the packjob doesnt expire after the 120 day limit (for the U.S. jumpers) I'm pretty up on keeping my reserve indate. the DZ also has your date in the ciomputer. it is definitely not worth the fall out of jumping an out of date reserve. purely out of respect for my DZO and Pilot I would not jump an out of date reserve. if they were to get a fine it would hurt them financially and we would be out a jump pilot = no more jumping paying $55-$60 every few months in order to jump without worry of getting a fine is worth it for meMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #29 June 16, 2005 QuoteA few years ago, jumping at a UK DZ (not my regular DZ I hasten to add!) I was sat on the aircraft and I noticed that the tag on an AFF students rig indicated that the reserve was a couple of days out of date. I whispered this fact to the AFF instructor who was seated next to me. That AFF instructor then got out their hook knife, cut off the tag and motioned at me to “Shhhhhhh!” . They carried on as though nothing had happened and the skydive went without incident. It suprised me a bit though! Vicki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You pointed out the error too late to make a difference. Deciding not to jump would have only rattled the student, destroying his confidence and concentration. Out of date gear should be discovered long before it gets to the airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #30 June 16, 2005 My reserve went out of date last week.Took it to the drop zone to see if I could find/see my rigger there.OH well,he wasn't there.I really don't need to jump much anymore.My DZ expects me to show up and work for them.I don't mind.When I see my rigger,I'll give him my rig.When I see him again I'll probably want to make a jump?(lol) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #31 June 16, 2005 I agree entirely that the instructors probably did the right thing once I pointed out the out of date rig. My point was more that at this particular DZ it was one of the AFF instructors on that dive who did most of the "policing" of whether or not gear was in date! It didn't change what I do as we are fortunate in the UK to have a 6 month repack cycle. It just made me think "Hmmmmmmm..."! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #32 June 17, 2005 purely out of respect for my DZO and Pilot I would not jump an out of date reserve Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nickkk 0 #33 June 17, 2005 Quotepurely out of respect for my DZO and Pilot I would not jump an out of date reserve Well said What he said... What do you do when someone throws a big planet at you? Throw your pilot chute in defense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyblu3 0 #34 June 17, 2005 Germany has a one year pack cycle also so you can easily go over 120days its no big deal. I am from a country with no local parachute association so it is always a grey area as to what the rules are for me. I usually follow the rules of the country I am jumping in. For that matter I have jumped my rig that had not been packed for almost one year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #35 June 17, 2005 thanks for backing me up. I can only get high if the DZ exists. (nope not allowed to smoke) If I do something to jeopardize that, than I deserve to be kicked off the DZ or at least grounded for a few weeks. and that sucks b/c I jump at least one day per weekendMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #36 June 17, 2005 QuoteQuotepurely out of respect for my DZO and Pilot I would not jump an out of date reserve Well said What he said... What they said.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #37 June 17, 2005 QuoteI have a hunch there are a lot of rigger-owned rigs out there that get repacked once/year whether they need it or not. Wow, you really think they pack it that often Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #38 June 17, 2005 When Canada changed to a180 day repack, it was a pragmatic surrender by CSPA. The association grudgingly admitted that they were doing well to convince skydivers to get their gear inspected once a year. Remember that most Canadian DZs are only open 5 or 6 months out of the year. And since few Canadian skydivers make more than 300 jumps per year, wear and tear is only a minor factor. Fifty jumps per year is the average. Those lucky 1/3 of Canadian skydivers who can afford winter vacations at American DZs get their reserves repacked twice a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #39 June 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteI have a hunch there are a lot of rigger-owned rigs out there that get repacked once/year whether they need it or not. Wow, you really think they pack it that often if I was a rigger I would probably do the same on my own rig. I think we all know that they don't magically turn into pumpkins after midnight but as a NON rigger I will make sure I pay for a repack every 120 days, or sooner.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #40 June 17, 2005 Quote For the life me I cannot understand why so many people are so willing to ignore rules, regulations, recommendations and everything else associated with skydiving safety....I just don't get it. Because it's more important to understand the idea behind the rules, why they're in place and how those issues affect you, than to just follow them blindly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #41 June 17, 2005 i would NOT jump my rig in this country if the date on the reserve pack data card indicated >120 days from last repack. The reason for this is simple: there's no way i would put my pilot's license at risk because of my forgetfulness or oversight. they keep us in the air and they count on us to be responsible enough to keep up with the repack date. that's the least we should do for them. my reason has NOTHING to do with the operation of the canopy. that being said, i would absolutely PREFER my rig be packed at MOST every 6 months simply because the more "actual" repacks you have, the more wear and tear the canopy receives. there are studies that reflect this. i believe it was a belgium military group several years ago that conducted extensive research on this. keep in mind this would change due to extenuating circumstances such as water landings, seeing creatures crawl into my reserve tray, etc. but the "requirements" set forth by the FAA specify 120 days. mine will reflect 120 days. speaking of....SALLYYYYYYYYYY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #42 June 17, 2005 QuoteQuote For the life me I cannot understand why so many people are so willing to ignore rules, regulations, recommendations and everything else associated with skydiving safety....I just don't get it. Because it's more important to understand the idea behind the rules, why they're in place and how those issues affect you, than to just follow them blindly. Do you think it is better to just follow the rules that you like or agree with? If everyone did that things could get a little chaotic don't you think? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 June 17, 2005 QuoteDo you think it is better to just follow the rules that you like or agree with? If everyone did that things could get a little chaotic don't you think? Everyone should keep in mind that early on, the original poster changed the question to ask what people would do if it would have no legal consequences. So many of the answers do not concern themselves with the rules in place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #44 June 18, 2005 Quote Do you think it is better to just follow the rules that you like or agree with? Depends on the rule and how strongly it's enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #45 June 18, 2005 QuoteQuote Do you think it is better to just follow the rules that you like or agree with? Depends on the rule and how strongly it's enforced. So if a rule is not strongly enforced there is no need to follow it? Where do you draw the line? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevinwhelan 0 #46 June 18, 2005 QuoteSo if a rule is not strongly enforced there is no need to follow it? Where do you draw the line? This makes me think about my own attitude. With regards to reserve repack dates (here in Ireland it is every 6 months) I would not attempt to jump if my reserve was out of date. Its the rule you just don't do it. But another rule "you must not jump through clouds" We seem to ignore. I think this is because one was enforced the other wasn't. It's all down to the way you were thought and what was accepted practice as you began in the sport. It is very like traffic lights. We all know orange means stop, but the vast majority of people take it as a signal to speed up and get through the junction before the lights go red. "be honest with yourself. Why do I want to go smaller? It is not going to make my penis longer." ~Brian Germain, on downsizing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #47 June 18, 2005 Back in the 80's I had a cutaway on a borrowed rig. After I landed I checked the card and it had not been repacked in over 4 years. Remember, the 120 day cycle was made law back in the day when parachutes were made from natural fibers. IE cotton silk, etc. The equipment has changed, but the rules have not. With modern day equipment and synthetic fibers the only reason for repacks is to stay legal, not safety. The pointer manual even says the best way to keep a parachute safe is to keep it sealed in it's protective container....... I know I will get flamed for this but if you take care of your gear there is no valid reason to open it and re-pack it every 120 days. A 5 year old reserve that has been repacked every 120 days has more wear than the same reserve that has never been repacked. But, until the rules are changed I must abide by the FAA regulations.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #48 June 18, 2005 QuoteRemember, the 120 day cycle was made law back in the day when parachutes were made from natural fibers. IE cotton silk, etc. The equipment has changed, but the rules have not. It was 60 days, changed to 120 days for synthetic fibers. It is still 60 days for natural fibers. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanglesOZQld 0 #49 June 18, 2005 In Australia it is every six months, and I follow this regulation. If there was not one in place I would go 1 year without hesitation given the packer A who does my repacks. I would NOT jump out of date gear at all anywhere out of respect for the dzso as stated earlier in this post- this sport is not about a single person and sometimes it pays to have a think about that! BSBD! -Mark. "A Scar is just a Tattoo with a story!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #50 June 18, 2005 QuoteI would NOT jump out of date gear at all anywhere out of respect for the dzso as stated earlier in this post- this sport is not about a single person and sometimes it pays to have a think about that! BSBD! -Mark. There seem to be a lot of jumpers who believe this sport is only about them and what they want to do. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
