LearningTOfly 0 #26 June 23, 2005 Quotethink you should take pause and reflex on the chain of decisions that got you into that situation. We all make mistakes but it seems to me that you (at least here) should take this mistake to heart and really ask yourself a lot of questions instead of just brushing it off. I think in this case, 'mistake' is the wrong word. To survive the first few freefalls takes quite a bit of luck. Experience is at an all time low, and requirement for good judgement is standard. That pretty much leaves it up to what the course curriculum and briefings cover, and luck. Much judgement is gained by exposure to the sport... not by classes or briefings. So therefore, the student has a very limited knowledge base by which decisions may be made. 'Mistake' is too critical a term. In my view, after reading the story, JayCam did everything to the best of his abilities, and is unscathed because of that- there was no 'mistake' made. (Dumping while belly up will never happen again- gained experience- may be a good thing or bad thing) Great job keeping your wits about you during the ordeal, JayCam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #27 June 23, 2005 Easily could've happened to me. Jump 16, 15 second delay, flipped onto my back with a really pretty view of the plane flying up and away. Decided right then I'd have to pull while on my back if one good solid attempt to get stable didn't work. It did, but if I was on a lower than 15 sec delay I might not have mentally given myself the time to do that. Jump 5 or so ended up doing a flip off the dope rope and put the PC and deploying canopy between my legs. Ended up upside down in the harness(know other people who did this trick too). Mistakes happen, usually nothing comes of mistakes, sometimes it goes all to shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #28 June 23, 2005 Didn't I post something in the thread?? How strange.. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #29 June 23, 2005 Yeah but someone in admin edited the thred and got rid of that ass that was on before. Anyway guys... Later! J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #30 June 23, 2005 darn it my post actually had suportive merit too You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #31 June 23, 2005 15 posts were deleted, all of which were either trolls or responses to trolls. (Which is another good reason to not answer trolls; generally the entire chunk, starting with the original troll, gets pruned.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heidihagen 0 #32 June 23, 2005 omggggggg.. very little annoys me... this does. to the people bashing him over and over: he made a useful post, but no wonder so few noobs post their f***ups! everyone deals with scary experiences differently and people are hard to "read" on here. so what if he said lol? do you really think he's laughing about this? doubt it. he's new (just like a lot of us posting) and trying his best to piece together what went wrong so it doesn't happen again. not every one uses the "no shit there i was.. i thought i was going to DIE!" approach. it's a pretty shocking story with an amazing outcome in my opinion and i hope i never find myself in that situation. i've seen one video where someone walks away from something like this..that's it. the rest i read about in incidents. try not to be so hard on people posting their mistakes and maybe more students would be more inclined to share. i never had the guts to post my big messup (jump 8) for this reason. you learn so much in THAT 60 seconds, it's unreal. the last thing you need is a forum full of dickheads telling you to take up bowling. thanks for the post jay, i'm so glad to hear you landed okay.were you able to release the main once you landed? i'm sure it's much easier once you're stationary.. but i am curious if it's was just hard to pull because you were unstable or rigging.i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #33 June 23, 2005 So, Now you know why stable pull is important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #34 June 23, 2005 Which arm was stuck in your risers? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #35 June 23, 2005 Did you peal your cutaway pad before trying to pull it or were you just pulling on it with the Velcro still attached? Perhaps thinking of whether or not the pad was hanging free of the harness after the incident will help you remember which happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #36 June 23, 2005 Quoteomggggggg.. very little annoys me... this does. to the people bashing him over and over: he made a useful post, but no wonder so few noobs post their f***ups! everyone deals with scary experiences differently and people are hard to "read" on here. so what if he said lol? do you really think he's laughing about this? doubt it. he's new (just like a lot of us posting) and trying his best to piece together what went wrong so it doesn't happen again. not every one uses the "no shit there i was.. i thought i was going to DIE!" approach. it's a pretty shocking story with an amazing outcome in my opinion and i hope i never find myself in that situation. i've seen one video where someone walks away from something like this..that's it. the rest i read about in incidents. try not to be so hard on people posting their mistakes and maybe more students would be more inclined to share. i never had the guts to post my big messup (jump 8) for this reason. you learn so much in THAT 60 seconds, it's unreal. the last thing you need is a forum full of dickheads telling you to take up bowling. thanks for the post jay, i'm so glad to hear you landed okay.were you able to release the main once you landed? i'm sure it's much easier once you're stationary.. but i am curious if it's was just hard to pull because you were unstable or rigging. Thanks for your support. My head was spinning too much to think to try pulling it once down. A couple of guys who helped me back said it was stuck though at least when they picked up the rig. After lots of thinking I think that the cutaway lines (dont know if this is the right name) were twisted together at some point. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #37 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhich arm was stuck in your risers? Left arm. I am left handed though J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #38 June 23, 2005 QuoteDid you peal your cutaway pad before trying to pull it or were you just pulling on it with the Velcro still attached? Perhaps thinking of whether or not the pad was hanging free of the harness after the incident will help you remember which happened. Yeah I pulled it off the velcro but it wouldnt come any further. I pulled it out about 4 inches which was REALLY difficult but then it really wouldnt come any further than this. I tried a bunch of times. I actually pulled so hard I heard the canvas that the pad is attached to rip a little so it wasnt an issue of not pulling hard enough. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #39 June 23, 2005 QuoteAs a relative newbie, I really don't want to give out advice or anything like that, however, here's my take on it. The excess cutaway cable is stowed inside the risers themselves. Without hard inserts, the risers can twist up and bind the cable so that you cannot pull it out. Hard inserts maintain space around the excess cutaway cable even with high pressure on the risers so that the cable can be cleared even in severe linetwists (or with the risers twisted around your arm in your case.) Maybe someone with more experience can explain this more clearly. AHH! I just realised! Yes these canpies DO have hard riser inserts. I just assumed there was no other kind thats why I didnt know what they were. Look like metal shower hoses kind of like articulated stainless steel tubes? If thats it then yes it had them. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #40 June 23, 2005 Hey JayCam! Congrats on walking away from a potentially deadly situation! Would it be possible for you to try to describe in more detail how your arm was trapped in the risers? I'm trying to visualize it in order to imagine how I might cope with a similar problem, but never haveing been in that situation, and never having seen someone else in it, I'm having a tough time picturing it. Thanks! Chris__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #41 June 23, 2005 QuoteSo, Now you know why stable pull is important. Yes it is, but less so then pulling. Pull Pull stable Pull at the right altiude.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #42 June 23, 2005 QuoteHe told me I should pull at 5 seconds, but ONLY if i was stable, and that if i wasn't, to take a breath and ARCH HARD...Quote *As I was taught (student training)* PULL TIME IS PULL TIME. Do not sacrifice altitude for stability. As stated above, good job on keeping your head clear and making the best of the situation...You made a lot of wise choices during the canopy decent. You saved your life, straight up. Get back up in the saddle again once you feel ready, and arch!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JayCam 0 #43 June 23, 2005 I guess it just depends on how you were taught. I would have tried again to get stable if I was at a higher altitude but I didnt think I had time from 4200 feet. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #44 June 23, 2005 I was thinking about those lines, but I didn't who to quote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivermom 0 #45 June 23, 2005 From one student to another, BLESS YOUR HEART! I commend you for having the courage and humility to share this experience. I learned a lot just from reading it. I have yet to do my first solo jump (July 16 if all goes well) and I can't imagine what I would have done in that situation. I suppose we can all surprise ourselves when we get in a pinch like that. Of course I am in absolutely no position to give any advice, I just wanted to tell you how much I admire you for coming on here with this. Good luck in the future and don't give up!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #46 June 23, 2005 Quotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JayCam 0 #47 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. As perhaps a final statement of what happened lol... The pad came off no problem (its only velcro) and the cables came out about 4 inches but no further. J JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 41 #48 June 23, 2005 This same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end...."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #49 June 23, 2005 ok, sorry I just ead te post (gonna ber late. LOL) have you heard any news of how the rig responded to the tests? it sounds like the cable housings may have binded or something if you were able to get the cutaway out a few inches. good job on landing your ass safely and softly. That is a freaky situation to be inMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #50 June 23, 2005 QuoteThis same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end.... Yes I agree. I will check out the next post. thanks for crossreferencing it for meMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
JayCam 0 #43 June 23, 2005 I guess it just depends on how you were taught. I would have tried again to get stable if I was at a higher altitude but I didnt think I had time from 4200 feet. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #44 June 23, 2005 I was thinking about those lines, but I didn't who to quote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivermom 0 #45 June 23, 2005 From one student to another, BLESS YOUR HEART! I commend you for having the courage and humility to share this experience. I learned a lot just from reading it. I have yet to do my first solo jump (July 16 if all goes well) and I can't imagine what I would have done in that situation. I suppose we can all surprise ourselves when we get in a pinch like that. Of course I am in absolutely no position to give any advice, I just wanted to tell you how much I admire you for coming on here with this. Good luck in the future and don't give up!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #46 June 23, 2005 Quotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JayCam 0 #47 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. As perhaps a final statement of what happened lol... The pad came off no problem (its only velcro) and the cables came out about 4 inches but no further. J JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 41 #48 June 23, 2005 This same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end...."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #49 June 23, 2005 ok, sorry I just ead te post (gonna ber late. LOL) have you heard any news of how the rig responded to the tests? it sounds like the cable housings may have binded or something if you were able to get the cutaway out a few inches. good job on landing your ass safely and softly. That is a freaky situation to be inMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #50 June 23, 2005 QuoteThis same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end.... Yes I agree. I will check out the next post. thanks for crossreferencing it for meMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydivermom 0 #45 June 23, 2005 From one student to another, BLESS YOUR HEART! I commend you for having the courage and humility to share this experience. I learned a lot just from reading it. I have yet to do my first solo jump (July 16 if all goes well) and I can't imagine what I would have done in that situation. I suppose we can all surprise ourselves when we get in a pinch like that. Of course I am in absolutely no position to give any advice, I just wanted to tell you how much I admire you for coming on here with this. Good luck in the future and don't give up!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #46 June 23, 2005 Quotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayCam 0 #47 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuotelol?? That doesn't sound funny at all... You are lucky to have survived. Why couldn't you cutaway? Did the rig have hard riser inserts? ok I am in a rush and have to take off now. I have only read the first 5 posts and didnt see anyone ask this question, so I will. As perhaps a final statement of what happened lol... The pad came off no problem (its only velcro) and the cables came out about 4 inches but no further. J JAY CAM, did you try to PEEL and pull or were you just yaning on the handle? Sorry if this was discussed already I will read the rest of the post later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #48 June 23, 2005 This same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end...."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #49 June 23, 2005 ok, sorry I just ead te post (gonna ber late. LOL) have you heard any news of how the rig responded to the tests? it sounds like the cable housings may have binded or something if you were able to get the cutaway out a few inches. good job on landing your ass safely and softly. That is a freaky situation to be inMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #50 June 23, 2005 QuoteThis same event is being dicussed and the same questions asked and answered in 2 forums. See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1702527#1702527 It would be easier if one of these threads came to an end.... Yes I agree. I will check out the next post. thanks for crossreferencing it for meMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
