Rig Registration process

[melushell 0]

Maybe for some people this subject might be totally alien
I posted this as I am really curious in what other countries this "rule" is still applying, and what are the pros and cons

According to my information, a registration process is required for EVERY rig in order to be able to fly it in a specific country (Romania, Bulgaria, Germany .....I am sure the list goes on)

They call this "paper" a navigability authorization.
The authority actually puts the rig in the same process as a car registration

e.g.: some “authorized” fat a** government representative has to inspect the rig, jump it, and put a serial number on it, and after all this (hyper long process) they give u the paper (and of course u have to pay for it)

Personally I have no pro argument over this process

But I am waiting for other opinions

[kevinwhelan 0]

Never heard of this but would like to know
when this started I have only jumped in spain
slovakia kenya and ireland so far and apart from the dropzone
never had anyone inspect my rig.
I am going to Slovakia again in August and would like to know if it applies there.

"be honest with yourself. Why do I want to go smaller? It is not going to make my penis longer." ~Brian Germain, on downsizing

[kjarv 0]

In Italy, you must track your rig in the same way an aircraft gets tracked--- it has it's own log book, and the registration costs 150 euro

As far as I can tell, this is only a scam to take money from skydivers and give it to the italian government.

BUT, luckily, if you are a foreigner it italy, you can use your countries rules as long as your reserve is repacked at least once every two years in your country of origin
It's a stupid rule.

[Zep 0]

I jump a 86 S.A. Vulcan it has no name or number on it, In fact if you did'nt know it was a Vulcan you'd think it was a early Vector
I've jumped it in various countries with no problems

Come to think of it my Racer does'nt have a number either.

I jump in Spain an as far as I know we have no rig registration system. Unless you count the rig check the DZ does each year

Gone fishing

[skydiverek 63]

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In Italy, you must track your rig in the same way an aircraft gets tracked--- it has it's own log book, and the registration costs 150 euro

Same in Poland. Every parachute (main and reserve) here is an "aircraft", and is included in the same registry as the Boeing 767 from Polish airlines! The rig must be taken to Warsaw, checked, go (with the owner) thru 10 steps, paperwork, beaurocracy, offices, signatures, stamps... It gets its logbook, registration, and so on. Plus, some good and well-known parachutes cannot be registered here no matter what, since the government is not familiar with them... There is a list somewhere of what can be registered...

I also heard that the "paraglider with the propeller" (whatever it ois called) was NOT considered and aircraft here.... Go figure .

Oh, and you are not allowed to jump (even fun jump) without medical tests here (as a Polish citizen). They used to be very strict (10 different doctors to visit in often remote clinic in a different city: dentist, family doctor, orthopedist, neurologist, cardiologist, ear-nose-throat doctor, psychologist, and some others. Even gynekologist for women!). In addition, you had to have EKG, EEG, urine and blood tests on you. If passed, the medical permission to jump lasted only 6 months, so you had to do it all over again after half a year...

Now it is slightly better (after joining EU) - only one doctor to visit (who comes to the DZ), and you are cleared to jump for 2 - 5 years (depends on your age). But we still envy Americans (and some other nations) who have no medical tests at all!

It still sucks, since you are responsible only for yourself (fun jumping). On the other hand, there was no medical tests to drive a car here when I checked few years ago, where you are moving a 1 ton bullet thru the crowded streets, inches from other people ...

So, you can be relatively healthy, have a world-class rig and be denied jumping here (again - applies to Polish citizens).

P.S. Sorry for the small hijack http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1176660#1176660

[melushell 0]

Well I started skydiving in Romania, now I jump in Spain
Actually I put this Q as I am discussing now with the guys from Romanian authority
And I am trying to make them convince me that this system actually helps me and what is the motivation for this registration
(For the moment they answered me because that is the law- should I laugh or cry? )

My points:

- How can the government decide that my rig is jumpable or not?
I mean the manufacturer already has the rig approved by the international authorities

- Why should a government guy jump and paint my rig with a stupid number?

- Personally I agree that the rig should be inspected, but inspected at the DZ by the rigger or by the safety responsible

........

is just my fight with an old system that should be changed

[melushell 0]

Same in Poland. Every parachute (main and reserve) here is an "aircraft", and is included in the same registry as the Boeing 767 from Polish airlines! The rig must be taken to Warsaw, checked, go (with the owner) thru 10 steps, paperwork, beaurocracy, offices, signatures, stamps... It gets its logbook, registration, and so on



Is exactly why i started the post
i just want to question a little bit the old systems

[JohnRich 4]

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a registration process is required for EVERY rig in order to be able to fly it in a specific country (Romania, Bulgaria, Germany .....I am sure the list goes on) They call this "paper" a navigability authorization. The authority actually puts the rig in the same process as a car registration e.g.: some “authorized” fat a** government representative has to inspect the rig, jump it, and put a serial number on it, and after all this (hyper long process) they give u the paper (and of course u have to pay for it)

God bless America.

(Where we don't have any of this silliness for parachute rigs.)

[Zep 0]

>God bless America.

(Where we don't have any of this silliness for parachute rigs.) <


Ahh but dose'nt your rig have to comply with TSO............. Mine dose'nt

As I said I jump a non TSO'd non registerd 86 Vulcan, Those South Africans shure know
how to build things to last

Gone fishing

[Griff69 0]

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God bless America.

(Where we don't have any of this silliness for parachute rigs.)

While I'll second the blessing, we do have plenty of our own silliness to go around...

Chris

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding a well-informed, well-armed sheep."

[ltdiver 3]

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Same in Poland. Every parachute (main and reserve) here is an "aircraft", and is included in the same registry as the Boeing 767 from Polish airlines! The rig must be taken to Warsaw, checked, go (with the owner) thru 10 steps, paperwork, beaurocracy, offices, signatures, stamps... It gets its logbook, registration, and so on. Plus, some good and well-known parachutes cannot be registered here no matter what, since the government is not familiar with them... There is a list somewhere of what can be registered...

This all sounds like a very bad dream! So sorry you guys have to go through this. First I've ever heard of it.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[Squeak 17]

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God bless America.

(Where we don't have any of this silliness for parachute rigs.)

While I'll second the blessing, we do have plenty of our own silliness to go around...

More that enough

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[skyblu3 0]

I doubt it applies in Slovakia not for foreign jumpers anyway. I have been to the Slovak Air Boogie many, many times I know there procedure. When you there ask Milo to inspect your gear and check you in. He is the chief insturctor at the dz and is well respected throughout Europe.