Log Book Signatures

[Phillbo 11]

I realized that I forgot to have someone sign my log book the last time I was at the DZ. I'll need these jumps to prove currency the next time I jump. Will they not count?

What should I do ? Can I sign it myself ?

[DrewGPM 0]

I know that you can't sign it yourself. You need another licensed skydiver or the jump pilot to sign it. I think therule states that it should be someone who can verify that you amde the jump. Anyone on the load is sufficient.

[IanHarrop 42]

Oh - Oh!

Someone must have forgotten to tell you about the little known rule.

For every jump you don't get get signed on the actual day of jumping you must send ME a case of beer. Just PM me for the address, unfortunately I live in Canada so it will cost you more in shipping, and by the way I prefer beer actually imported from the UK, not made here under license.

One I have received and consumed the beer, I will personally beg your friends to sign your log book the next time you are at the dropzone. I won't actually talk to them, it will be more of a sending {{{{vibes}}} thing.

(/Sarcasm off) Don't worry about it.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Phillbo 11]

I think I have spent more money on beer than gear for this sport

Ian, I have a case of San Miguel, would that work. Thanks for the "insight"..

[sum1mom 0]

ditto

You owe beer for saying that

[BillyVance 34]

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I realized that I forgot to have someone sign my log book the last time I was at the DZ. I'll need these jumps to prove currency the next time I jump. Will they not count?

What should I do ? Can I sign it myself ?

You can always go back the next time you jump and ask whoever was there last time or the DZO to sign the jumps off for you.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[pilotdave 0]

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You can always go back the next time you jump and ask whoever was there last time or the DZO to sign the jumps off for you.

Or someone that wasn't there, or you won't remember who was there, etc. Which is why I think the requirement for logbook signatures is one of the most useless wastes of time, right behind gear checks, dirt dives, and preflights. In my opinion, only an instructor's signature should be required for jumps where particular skills needed for a license are demonstrated.

Dave

[tigra 0]

When was your last jump? And will your next jump be at the same dz? Your home dz? If so that really shouldn't be an issue, honestly.

[BIGUN 1,314]

Your DZ should also have you on the manifest form or in the DB. Someone from manifest can print out the form, point you to the S&TA where you could show the logbook and the manifest report and obtain a signature.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[D22369 0]

I know that you can't sign it yourself***


I suppose it depends on the dz, I was at perris for Y2k and hadnt had a sig for over a year, the lady giving us our waiver, checking logbooks and making us watch the video told me to just sign it as it required a sig...... It made absolutely no sense to me, but I have one of my jumps signed by myself.....

>things that make ya go hmmmmm<

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[flyangel2 2]

I believe once you have your D license you don't need signatures in your log book.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[JohnMitchell 16]

You don't need logbooks. Just show them all your canceled checks and credit card statements made out to the DZ.

[skypuppy 1]

Take it down to the local peeler bar and get the girls to sign it. Always like the licence 42DDD myself, but even a 38 FF can be all right. Maybe you can give them something in return....?

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[happythoughts 0]

At our dz, I can request a printout of the jumps that I made that year.

A signature is mostly needed to prove you are current when travelling to a new dz.

I don't get most of mine signed now. Just on special jumps or a couple right before going out of town.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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A signature is mostly needed to prove you are current when travelling to a new dz.

I don't get most of mine signed now. Just on special jumps or a couple right before going out of town.

I don't like taking my logbook when I travel. One more thing to pack and get lost. I've had trouble at DZ's by not having one, though. But it's kind of dumb, because anyone can write anything in there and get a bunch of signatures or fake a bunch. I've seen it done many times. Logbooks don't really prove anything. They ought to just make sure you have a license and let you jump.

[happythoughts 0]

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I don't like taking my logbook when I travel. One more thing to pack and get lost.

I agree. I would hate to lose a logbook because each one has some special jumps/signatures that I want to keep. My friend Darrell lost all his in a house fire.

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But it's kind of dumb, because anyone can write anything in there and get a bunch of signatures or fake a bunch. I've seen it done many times.

"Signing parties" Everybody at the picnic table signs a page just before a boogie. "Oh crap, I need some signatures or they won't let me register."

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Logbooks don't really prove anything.

True. I think they are hoping that you are just current. (Not that it proves that either.)

[D22369 0]

I believe once you have your D license you don't need signatures in your log book.

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A point that I brought up to the gal, but was shot down by her reply of "everyone has to have signatures...."......

so I signed my own......

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[popsjumper 2]

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...But it's kind of dumb, because anyone can write anything in there and get a bunch of signatures or fake a bunch. I've seen it done many times....

Sad, but all to often true. As with all other walks of life, there are those who will bend/break/circumvent guidelines and destroy the intent and value of the honor system. The logbook honor system does not realistically work because of those people. Call me stupid but I just don't get it when I see someone falsify logbook entries...I just don't get it.

Even the Boy Scout honor system gets violated on a regular basis...what a great thing to teach our youngsters, eh?

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...They ought to just make sure you have a license and let you jump.

AFTER verifying in some sort of meaningful way that you are safe and secure in your skydiving.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[skybill 22]

Hi Phill,
Next time you're at the DZ, just get some of yur friends to sign off your dives. If you need licensed Skydivers or pilots to sign for a rating, just ask to see their card if you're not sure. If they were on the load, that's great. If not, WTF, they have a license, get them to sign it any way. If they are a really old fart with a 2 digit "D" or the like (Nate Pond D-69 for example) don't even let him/them get away till you have their signature in your log book!! That's why it's always good to have a few dives still "open!" Got that?

SCR-2034, SCS-680

III%,
Deli-out

[flyangel2 2]

Strange, I've been to Perris Valley a number of times. I have a log book filled without signatures

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[D22369 0]

I have been there several times since 1999, and havent ever had any problems since....

might have just caught her on "that time of the month"........

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[flyangel2 2]

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might have just caught her on "that time of the month"........

Or she gave back the same attitude you gave her.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[D22369 0]

hmmm, nope, I dont recall flipping any attitude at the time, I do recall being incredulous when she told me to just sign it..... didnt make any sense then, still doesnt. but if she was trying to make my life difficult, it doesnt make any sense to provide the answer so readily - does it?

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[mhartboca 0]

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I know that you can't sign it yourself. You need another licensed skydiver or the jump pilot to sign it. I think therule states that it should be someone who can verify that you amde the jump. Anyone on the load is sufficient.

wow... i'm afraid i'm going to show my lack of knowledge here...

I'm at #93, been jumping for 18 mos. NO ONE, EVER, instructor or otherwise has EVER said that I can't sign my own jumps.

I just jumped a new DZ while on travel, and they asked for my license, my USPA card and my logbook. Again, all my jumps other than license qualification jumps, are self-signed. They had no problem with it, or if they did, didn't say anything..

Michael Hart

[DrewGPM 0]

Sorry to hear the nobody ever told who can and can't sign your jumps. It's in the SIM though. I'd suggest reading through the SIM, in case your instructors missed anything else.

According to section 3-1 part C on http://www.uspa.org/publications/SIM/2004SIM/section3.htm The signatures are required for license and ratings. So until you have a D, all jumps should be signed according that section. Once you have your D, then they only need to signed if you need them to qualify for an instructor rating.

The jumps that you signed for yourself should not be counted toward and USPA license. I'd suggest having a signing party to get all those jumps signed by someone else.