looking for opinions

[huka551 0]

What is your (collective) view on letting go of the toggles under canopy? Once my canopy is open and I do a control check and determine that my canopy is good, I would let go of one of my toggles completely to take off my goggles, to see better for landing. Some people said NEVER let go of the toggles, and others say its fine they aren't going anywhere...

Muff Brother 3723

[sundevil777 102]

Just don't do it low at all.

You should not have to let go to adjust your goggles.

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[AggieDave 6]

As long as you're clear of traffic and you're still above your decision altitude, I believe letting go of the toggles isn't that big of a deal.

However, if you're in traffic or low, it might cause problems.

Besure to chat with your S&TA about this.

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[bseriesboosted 0]

I am a low timer so take my opinion in that in mind.

but i see no problem with letting go of the toggles as long as you know how to do rear riser turns to avoid other air traffic if need be.

Pruitt

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[Kris 0]

If there's no traffic around, once I've done my housekeeping (harness/riser turn to heading, stowing slider, loosening chest strap, releasing toggles), I'll take my hands out of my toggles to de-gunk my sunglasses, or undo the leg zippers on my bird-man suit.

I just make sure my hands are back in them by my hard deck so I can start taking care of my pattern.

Of course, while my hands are out, and I'm busy with other things, I still keep my ears open and my head on a swivel to watch out for others who may have come into my area of the sky.

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[FrogNog 1]

I was surprised once to find that it took me more than 500 feet to get my hand back in my second toggle, just from the way it turned, how the wind kept it closed, and how tough a time I was having getting my gloved fingers in there. Good thing I wasn't super low, but I was "concerned." But I wouldn't know that about my toggles if I hadn't tried it a few times.

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[DancingFlame 0]

Better don't.
Sometimes it may be difficult to get toggles back. Wind gust or small dust devil - and your toggles are somewhere high where you can't reach them.

[huka551 0]

One person told me that by letting go, the toggle could bounce up to where I couldn't reach it, or get tied around the riser or lines and get stuck. Not an ideal scenario to be in.

Muff Brother 3723

[riggerrob 643]

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One person told me that by letting go, the toggle could bounce up to where I couldn't reach it, or get tied around the riser or lines and get stuck. Not an ideal scenario to be in.

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A toggle might tie itself around the other lines if you were dumb enough to let go of it at waist level.
Smart skydivers lay their toggles on riser Velcro before letting go.
Oh, and it is a simple thing - like adjusting goggles under canopy - just keep your hands in the toggles while you pull both hands to your face.

[huka551 0]

Since someone brought that idea to my attention, that I could adjust my goggles without letting go, it is what I have started doing. I think I was letting go to avoid any stalling or turning while adjusting. But after doing it I discovered as long as I do it quickly, it doesn't really have any major effect on the canopy.

Muff Brother 3723

[jlmiracle 7]

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One person told me that by letting go, the toggle could bounce up to where I couldn't reach it, or get tied around the riser or lines and get stuck. Not an ideal scenario to be in.

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A toggle might tie itself around the other lines if you were dumb enough to let go of it at waist level.
Smart skydivers lay their toggles on riser Velcro
before letting go.

I would never let go of my toggles - I have velco-less toggles. They can and will get away from you and how much time are you going to give yourself to "get them back"

Judy

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[faulknerwn 38]

Admittedly I've done a lot of CRW, but on freefall or CRW or whatever I'll fly around wthout toggles a lot. You have harness shift, you have rear risers... Its never been an issue. On my freefall rigs I lay them back up where they were for opening and they stay close enough to there...

As long as you're not in heavy traffic low, its a non-event in my opinion.

It is funny tho - when I teach newbies CRW - its hard to convince people its ok to let go of their toggles to catch!!!

W

[huka551 0]

What is CRW? Catch what?

Muff Brother 3723

[kelpdiver 2]

If you do let go to do rig housekeeping (chest strap, slider, goggles), be wary of doing it on a downwind run. On a couple occasions I let myself get into a position where I was left only with the option of a straight return course to barely make the intended target. Just meant more walking at the locations where it happened, but not good planning on my part.

Wings puts the chest strap retainer on the left side instead of the right and it's driving me nuts right now. Hopefully just a transition process.

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Specific to velcroless toggles, where/how can the toggles get away from me if I let go off the handles when in full flight?

[PhreeZone 20]

CRW - Canopy relative work. Its the art of building formations in the sky with your canopies. Here is an example: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Featured_Photographers/Jussi_Laine/The_Works&image=jlv016.jpg&img=&tt=

Skydiving Glossery is located here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=35 if you have any other questions on abreviations.

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[DBCOOPER 5]

Why not leave your toggles stowed until you remove your goggles?

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[huka551 0]

Because I think a control check takes priority

Muff Brother 3723

[mr2mk1g 10]

I will often loosen my chest strap after doing a full control check etc. I do this with my hands in the toggles. I simply go into deep breaks for a while as I make the adjustments.

So long as you know where your stall point is and you know you're not going to collapse your canopy, there's no reason why you shouldn't simply take your goggles off etc with your hands still in the toggles... and the likelihood of a collapse with hands a goggle height is next to none with the canopy you're probably on.

Just remember to make sure both left and right hands are always at about the same height and if you’re in traffic number 1 consideration is traffic, not messing with gear.

[huka551 0]

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Since someone brought that idea to my attention, that I could adjust my goggles without letting go, it is what I have started doing. I think I was letting go to avoid any stalling or turning while adjusting.

Muff Brother 3723

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[DShiznit 0]

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Admittedly I've done a lot of CRW, but on freefall or CRW or whatever I'll fly around wthout toggles a lot. You have harness shift, you have rear risers... Its never been an issue. On my freefall rigs I lay them back up where they were for opening and they stay close enough to there...

As long as you're not in heavy traffic low, its a non-event in my opinion.

It is funny tho - when I teach newbies CRW - its hard to convince people its ok to let go of their toggles to catch!!!

W

LOL! Sorta hard to catch with feet only, eh?

[flyangel2 2]

As you have read here already, it's okay to let go of the toggles. Heck, when it's really cold, you have to drop your hands to get blood back in them to warm them.

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