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so I'm ... uncurrent to say the least. The regs say I need a coach jump to be current. I know people with coach ratings who will do this with me for free (at most when I offer to cover their slot they MIGHT take the offer) but another DZ I'm considering told me I would need a coach jump and it would run me 70 bucks .. the point of the post are my questions...

1 Is this what I should expect.

2 Is this a reasonable price

3 IF a coach rated firend wants to do the jump with
me should I worry about stepping on toes with the DZs instructors I would otherwise have to pay

4 Should I expect or be supprised if the dropzone wont clear me for the coach jump with firend coach and insist on their coach?

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so I'm ... uncurrent to say the least. The regs say I need a coach jump to be current. I know people with coach ratings who will do this with me for free (at most when I offer to cover their slot they MIGHT take the offer) but another DZ I'm considering told me I would need a coach jump and it would run me 70 bucks .. the point of the post are my questions...

1 Is this what I should expect.

2 Is this a reasonable price

3 IF a coach rated firend wants to do the jump with
me should I worry about stepping on toes with the DZs instructors I would otherwise have to pay

4 Should I expect or be supprised if the dropzone wont clear me for the coach jump with firend coach and insist on their coach?

*** I'll address the $70 1st. $70 seems a little high for a straight coached jump but, if they're figuring recurrency training in, to include emer procedures, then it's pretty good deal. As for using your own coach, DZ's are in the business of making money and they have every right to insist on using one of thier coaches. Instructors/coaches doing freelance work without the knowledge or consent of the DZ is unethical. Some DZ's have no problem with what you're asking, but most do.

Good luck

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*** I'll address the $70 1st. $70 seems a little high for a straight coached jump but, if they're figuring recurrency training in, to include emer procedures, then it's pretty good deal. As for using your own coach, DZ's are in the business of making money and they have every right to insist on using one of thier coaches. Instructors/coaches doing freelance work without the knowledge or consent of the DZ is unethical. Some DZ's have no problem with what you're asking, but most do.

Good luck



I don't see anything unethical at all.
If I ask a mate who is a coach to jump with me to get me up to speed and he agrees, then signs me off. As long as he is accredited, where's the ethical issue.
If I bring a coach to the DZ and pay them to coach me and therfore take money away from the DZ then you may have somthing, but not if a friend is willing to help.
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If I bring a coach to the DZ and pay them to coach me and therfore take money away from the DZ then you may have somthing, but not if a friend is willing to help.

*** That's what I was saying. As long as the coach is approved by the DZ and he/she is doing it for free, then there's probably not going to be a problem. The unethical part I was talking about was freelancing for money.

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I'd have to agree with Squeak... there is a fine line here... but if your friend is a coach and you and him are comfortable with giving you the needed time to get you current again I can't see how it is unethical...

for that matter you could easily go to a different DZ and jump with your friend there and still get recurrent...

Even w/in the DZ the policies can vary... before I was licensed I was out for 6 weeks because of a broken hand (I was solo qualified...) when I returned to do my recurrency one of the AFF-Is was nice enough to do my recurrency jump for the cost of his slot... this was a guy employed by the DZ.
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I just took someone like you to Z-hills, I'm not on staff there, after talking to the S&TA and showing my AFF I, I was able to take him up for slots only.
It was not a big deal to get him current at that dz.
I have found most dz's to be ok with this, it helps to call ahead first and talk to the dzo or manger, most will let your rated friend take you up with out an extra charge.

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If your jumping your own gear, yes $70 is too much.
If it the DZ's gear, break it down to
2 slots $30-$40
gear rental $25-$35
Inst. fee $20


Thats about right.

But, if you have someone that is appropriately rated and willing to do some jumps with you to get you current, there is nothing in the USPA sim that say's you need to use the DZ's staff to complete your jumps.
IMO, if they have a problem with it simply take your business to another DZ that will let you. But if this DZ is the only DZ you jump at, I'd suggest doing what they suggest to keep in good standing with them.


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If your jumping your own gear, yes $70 is too much.
If it the DZ's gear, break it down to
2 slots $30-$40
gear rental $25-$35
Inst. fee $20


Thats about right.



Don't forget that a lot of student jump prices include the student rig's repack cost for a staff packer of usually around $5.
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1 Is this what I should expect.



You should expect to pay for a professionals time. When was the last time your dentist, mechanic, ect did something for free?

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2 Is this a reasonable price



Yes. Two slots 20 X 2 = 40 + fee..

Fees in FL range from 15-35 bucks a jump, or 100-200 bucks a DAY.

I just did the AFF course and I had to pay 25 bucks a jump plus both slots.

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3 IF a coach rated firend wants to do the jump with
me should I worry about stepping on toes with the DZs instructors I would otherwise have to pay



No. If a buddy will do it for free thats it your and their right. As long as the person is rated and current the DZO should not have a problem.

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4 Should I expect or be supprised if the dropzone wont clear me for the coach jump with firend coach and insist on their coach?



I'd find another DZ to jump at.

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I don't know if recurrency coaching is cheaper, but my coach jumps are $80 plus! I was going to ask a friend who is a coach to help me so the cost wouldn't be so much, but I would definatly ask the dzo first!



I was paying $104 for coached jumps...definitely higher than the norm, perhaps somewhat mitigated by fact that the coach was actually an AFF-I.

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I don't see anything unethical at all.
If I ask a mate who is a coach to jump with me to get me up to speed and he agrees, then signs me off. As long as he is accredited, where's the ethical issue.
If I bring a coach to the DZ and pay them to coach me and therfore take money away from the DZ then you may have somthing, but not if a friend is willing to help.



Bringing an RW coach (4way) to a DZ is different. If that is what you ment. THey are teaching 4 way not skydiving per say.

The DZ has the right to make you use one of their coaches if it is a currency jump. They want to insure that you or whoever is up speed.
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I hadn't jumped for about 4 and a half months and had about 100 jumps a while back, I turned up at a DZ that I had jumped at a fair few time before and was told to just get in the air and dust off the cobwebs. Went up and did a solo and pulled a bit high, next jump was back to my normal 2/3 way freefly jumps.

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I was paying $104 for coached jumps...definitely higher than the norm, perhaps somewhat mitigated by fact that the coach was actually an AFF-I.



I'm not sure where you were getting raped for a recurrency jump like that, but I'm assuming it was in the Nor Cal area, and I can make a good guess at to where.....

Regardless if they were an AFFI or just a simple coach, the price should be the same if you already are B licensed skydiver.

I do recurrency jumps for $25 plus slot.


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Ed
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www.PrecisionSkydiving.com

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