Feeblemind 1 #1 February 25, 2005 Just wondering if anyone has experienced a constant slight turn (in my case to the left) while under canopy. I thought the light wind was causing me to crab but that isn't it. There happened to be AFFI precorse jumps occuring while I was at the DZ so a number of experienced jumpers saw my landings (however from 250 yards, jumping in noob landing area) On approach I needed to imput 1/4 right brake to stay on headin and when I pulled full flare (both toggles equal I turned slightly to the left as I landed). At 4,000 feet I released all toggle pressure and it took me 15 seconds to make a 90 degree left turn without any toggle imput what so ever. The Chute is in trim (jumped by the safety officer at the DZ) so it's obviously me. Any ideas? I have left a message with my instructor, but he is very busy with rigging and I hate to keep bothering him. I am sure he will get back to me, but I thought I would toss it out here and see if anyone else has had a similiar experience. Thanks and Blue Skys, Phil Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #2 February 25, 2005 Is it an adjustable harness? Maybe you aren't tightening one side all the way. Or are you putting all your weight on on side of your body? Have your instructors given you any suggestions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 February 25, 2005 That tends to happen for a handful of reasons. I'm going to leave out the obvious answer of not holding the toggles in an even configuration. Firstly, you may not have your legstraps even or you may be leaning in the harness, both of which will weight your harness unevenly thus resulting in a turn. However, if the harness has adjustable MLWs then they may not be adjusted evenly, it happens, have your instructor and/or the DZ rigger check it. Secondly, the canopy may be out of trim, that's something for the DZ's rigger to check. Thirdly, a brake line may have shrunk, once again something for the DZ's rigger to check. If the rigger checks the canopy and its fine, then its how you're hanging in the harness.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #4 February 25, 2005 QuoteThat tends to happen for a handful of reasons. I'm going to leave out the obvious answer of not holding the toggles in an even configuration. Firstly, you may not have your legstraps even or you may be leaning in the harness, both of which will weight your harness unevenly thus resulting in a turn. However, if the harness has adjustable MLWs then they may not be adjusted evenly, it happens, have your instructor and/or the DZ rigger check it. Secondly, the canopy may be out of trim, that's something for the DZ's rigger to check. Thirdly, a brake line may have shrunk, once again something for the DZ's rigger to check. If the rigger checks the canopy and its fine, then its how you're hanging in the harness. Well before my last jump we checked the harness and the leg straps were even. The canopy is in trim as I said before it has been jumped by the DZ safety officer who is also a rigger. Maybe I am weighting or leaning to the left causing the turn. I hope to get to jump tomorrow and hopefully someone can video the landing to see if we can figure it out. Thanks for all the help. Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #5 February 25, 2005 I would pull my keys out of my left pocket and try again There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 February 25, 2005 Do you cross your legs under canopy? If a rigger checked out your gear then I'm going to bet you're leaning in the harness a bit. obviously check with your S&TA and/or your instructors.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #7 February 25, 2005 QuoteI would pull my keys out of my left pocket and try again Hehe I don't jump with anything in my pockets, But one item does hang to the left....Maybe thats it Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #8 February 25, 2005 QuoteI would pull my keys out of my left pocket and try again Might i suggest NOT pulling them out in freefall. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikieB 0 #9 February 25, 2005 your steering lines may be twisted, or one more than the other... just a thought. I had a line that was really twisted up on my lightning, the turn was very pronounced.confucious say: he who stands on top of toilet gets high on pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #10 February 25, 2005 QuoteHehe I don't jump with anything in my pockets, But one item does hang to the left....Maybe thats it I was just about to suggest that, but you beat me to it. Seriously, it could be that the canopy itself is out of trim - not the lines, when measured on the ground, but the cells of the canopy itself. Last year I did some 'home rigging' on someones old Raven II that had the same problem. (Problem surfaced not only with the beginner who recently bought the canopy but also with someone with +1000 jumps who tried it after the new owner complained about the turn) Shortened the outside A line on the opposite side with about 5 cm. Lo and behold - the old thing flew straight from that moment on (But if you measure it now the lines are out of trim...) "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #11 February 25, 2005 First off I am neither an instructor nor a canopy expert. Just inserting my own experience here. I cross my legs under canopy. I noticed as I started to downsize, a slight turn to the left. I always cross my left foot in front of my right. I quit doing this and just started putting my feet together and noticed that the turn went away. Now, I know it was the leg crossing. . .SOOOOOO, I just bend my knees when crossing and then the problem works itself out - though I did have to do it as a concious effort at first. May not be your issue but just sharing my own experience.________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #12 February 25, 2005 Well, I think it's the fact that you were jumping a 230...If I were you I would think about a Stilleto 170!Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #13 February 25, 2005 QuoteWell, I think it's the fact that you were jumping a 230...If I were you I would think about a Stilleto 170! Lookin' to get FLAMED aintcha'....... Keepion' it safe! Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #14 February 25, 2005 LoL, I'm board, I figure everyone needs a little increase in the old pulse rate Hate me! Just consider me the voice of opposition! We'll get Phil straightened out tommarrow. We'll do a high alti H&P and figure it out...I need to borrow a 190 or 210.Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #15 February 25, 2005 QuoteLoL, I'm board, I figure everyone needs a little increase in the old pulse rate Hate me! What kinda wood are you? Peckerwood? Or did you mean bored? Feelin' the Hate! Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #16 February 25, 2005 Or did you mean bored? Ok...and tired.Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #17 February 25, 2005 Well we'll know tomorrow if it's me or the canopy, your gonna jump it on my dime and see what happens. I reviewed the video on my AFF landings on the 260 triathalon and had no such turn. We might have to add some weight to your thimble ass though so you can match my manly stature or fat ass depends on the angle your looking from. See ya at the DZ around 1200 or so. Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #18 February 26, 2005 Well Went to the DZ and was discussing this issue again with experienced jumpers. All the above possibilities were discussed. I brought up that I have had 4 knee operations on my left knee and my legs might be different sizes. Well off to the loft I went and low and behold my left thigh is 1 1/4" smaller than my right where the legs straps be. We didn't get a chance to test the theory cause mother nature is a bitch, not a skydiver Blue Skys and thanks for the help, Phil Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
